Intercooler performance

[Desslok]

I’m currently on trial for being a Trump supporter

"Hate has no home here". Just so long as you have the approved opinions that were provided for you.

 

[jimlloyd40]

Same. I think this is a previously banned member.

And on his way again.

 

[jimlloyd40]

I’m currently on trial for being a Trump supporter

The jury just came back. Not guilty.

 

[GTI Jake]

The jury just came back. Not guilty.

Yeah ha, turns out it’s not a crime after all

 

[GTI_Owner]

There absolutely is a point where an IC cant keep up and the "step function manner" manner does apply. The stock intercooler is a fine example of this, it works acceptably on the stock tune and recovers enough to make due. Throw a stage 1 tune on and it struggles a bit more to recover when you get constant load or repetitive pulls. Once the intercooler cant reject heat enough to keep up, the ECU will start doing its thing and pull back timing and such to protect the engine. I have absolutely seen this with my stage1 tune and the stock intercooler, repeated pulls just keep compounding the issue of heat soak causing performance degradation.

So saying X intercooler cant keep up with hybrids but can with an IS38 is absolutely plausible. Just depends where the tipping point is and that can vary drastically due to environment, tune, how well the car is running. Its not a black and white thing but you can generalize saying in most situations this IC cant handle a hybrid. Like we have seen many times, certain cars are unicorns and can do something others cant, its very hard to compare cars against one another because of this but there are always outlyers and we most of the time throw that data away when making generalizations.

I appreshiate all the data Jeff creates and really urge him to continue doing so. But this specific article doesn't hold its own due to the information he is using is not complete nor his own. He doesn't know all the variables around the data so digging into it is a moot point. I would love to see Jeff get his hands on a AMS and put it right up with the IEv1 with his own testing.

Looking over what was posted "Products like intercoolers don’t perform in a step function manner; good w/ IS20, good w/ IS38, good w/ BT, bad w/ hybrid."

I though BT means Big Turbo, something larger than a hybrid. So it's questioning the claim that it works well with small and large turbos, but not hybrids, which occupy the middle. Putting on my engineer's hat, how does a turbo that fits in the middle of the range overwhelm the intercooler while the products on either end don't?

Since this is being dredged back up, I'm interested in real world results of what the "step function manner" looks likes.

A number of people said it would behave this way (Jovian, Navi, DallasDub94, anotero, billbadass, aaronc7) so can somebody post up datalogs of an intercooler showing this happening? (Not looking for another theoretical argument fiasco like what took place between Hollywood0220 and shortb, I'm interested in real world, here it is doing this, examples.)

 

[Jovian]

Since this is being dredged back up, I'm interested in real world results of what the "step function manner" looks likes.

A number of people said it would behave this way (Jovian, Navi, DallasDub94, anotero, billbadass, aaronc7) so can somebody post up datalogs of an intercooler showing this happening? (Not looking for another theoretical argument fiasco like what took place between Hollywood0220 and shortb, I'm interested in real world, here it is doing this, examples.)

I took some logs after I got the AMS installed and compared against the old ones. Its not a great test but its something https://www.carworklog.com/2020/07/17/mk7-intercoolers-ams-intercooler-upgrade/

 

[Gptuners]

Wait til you see the Covid stay at home thread.

I'm checking it next!

 

[GTIfan99]

Yeah ha, turns out it’s not a crime after all

Yep, no crime in being an immoral authoritarian white nationalist, that can't figure out you're following a known con man, that's currently fleecing you. No crime in that.

But, you're bringing politics into your business. You lost my business permanently, which I was looking to buy your exhaust and IC. I know you don't care, but approx 60% of the US population doesn't approve of Trump, so not a great business move to expose your business to that.

 

[JerseyDrew77]

Yep, no crime in being an immoral authoritarian white nationalist that can't figure out your following a known con man that's currently fleecing you. No crime in that.

But, you're bringing politics into your business. You lost my business permanently, which I was looking to buy your exhaust and IC. I know you don't care, but approx 60% of the US population doesn't approve of Trump, so not a great business move to expose your business to that.

He's entitled to like whoever he fucking wants to. Just because it doesn't align with your stupid opinion doesn't give you the right to belittle him. I fucking hate idiots like you. You'll go around protesting freedom of speech but when somebody has a different opinion that doesn't align with yours, all hell breaks out.

 

[GTI Jake]

I know you don't care, but approx 60% of the US population doesn't approve of Trump, so not a great business move to expose your business to that.

My 6x12’ American flag should’ve been a dead giveaway I support our President



If you don’t want to buy my parts that’s your loss, not mine. I stay as busy as I want turning down as much work as I accept. It’s yet another perk of capitalism.

Also, this isn’t my business page or platform. I’m not turning away or shaming people for not sharing my patriotism, but if it has that effect on you I’d steer clear of just about anything made in America because chances are you’ll be offended by the owners views as well.

 

[GTI_Owner]

I took some logs after I got the AMS installed and compared against the old ones. Its not a great test but its something https://www.carworklog.com/2020/07/17/mk7-intercoolers-ams-intercooler-upgrade/

Thanks. Changing the IC is a different scenario, the discussion was referring to keeping the same IC, and it working well for small and large turbos, but failing with a hybrid turbo.

 

[Coogles]

My 6x12’ American flag should’ve been a dead giveaway I support our President



If you don’t want to buy my parts that’s your loss, not mine. I stay as busy as I want turning down as much work as I accept. It’s yet another perk of capitalism.

Also, this isn’t my business page or platform. I’m not turning away or shaming people for not sharing my patriotism, but if it has that effect on you I’d steer clear of just about anything made it America because chances are you’ll be offended by the owners views as well.

People who support Donald Trump have a monopoly on the American flag? Now that’s a new one.

 

[ZuMBLe]

My 6x12’ American flag should’ve been a dead giveaway I support our President



If you don’t want to buy my parts that’s your loss, not mine. I stay as busy as I want turning down as much work as I accept. It’s yet another perk of capitalism.

Also, this isn’t my business page or platform. I’m not turning away or shaming people for not sharing my patriotism, but if it has that effect on you I’d steer clear of just about anything made it America because chances are you’ll be offended by the owners views as well.

I thought the flag was a symbol of our country and its values, and not the office of the president? The American Flag has nothing to do with the gov't, and should never. Yes, you are guilty of being a Trump supporter (it's your right under that flag). Nobody should automatically think you support who is president because they see that flag. That flag is not the flag of this president, or any president.

 

[morricus]

People who support Donald Trump have a monopoly on the American flag? Now that’s a new one.

No, it's true. Just happened today, its all over the news. We cornered the flag market. Its right under the story about how everyone is a racist and above the one about how we're all going to die from Coronovirus.

 

[GTI Jake]

No, it's true. Just happened today, its all over the news. We cornered the flag market. Its right under the story about how everyone is a racist and above the one about how we're all going to die from Coronovirus.

BREAKING NEWS!