Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S

[Sonny@TireRack.com]

Where did you see the treadwear?

Also, Michellin has posted info on their site: http://www.michelinman.com/US/en/tires/products/pilot-sport-4s.html

Looks like 245/40r18 is the only 18" option currently. They do compare the treadwear to the PSS so I would expect it is also a 300.

Same warranty.

 

[RacingManiac]

So is PSS sticking around or getting replaced? Currently PS4S is only on bigger wheels too.

 

[TecklenburgVW]

So is PSS sticking around or getting replaced? Currently PS4S is only on bigger wheels too.

Excellent question, I wonder if Sonny at Tirerack would know.

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[scrapin240]

The PS 4S are available fore pre-order in 19's and 20s. Pricing is about $12 more than the PSS in 235/35 19

 

[Stage2Sasquatch]

So is PSS sticking around or getting replaced? Currently PS4S is only on bigger wheels too.

I think the idea is to phase it out as more PS4S sizes become available.

Never been a fan of PSS's because of their super soft sidewall and high price, but I understand I'm not Michelins intended audience since I DD Rival S's lol.

 

[XM_Rocks]

Never been a fan of PSS's because of their super soft sidewall and high price, but I understand I'm not Michelins intended audience since I DD Rival S's lol.

Super soft? lol

They are probably in the top 20% as far as sidewall stiffness for summer tires.

 

[breaking badly]

It depends on which you compare them to. Yes, they're 'stiff' compared to most
mass-market summer tires. And yes, they're soft compared to most R compounds.
Actually Michelin never claimed the PSS to be a track tire, it's an UHP summer tire,
and certainly one of the best.

One of Michelin's press releases:

http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/aktion/Attachment.html?attachmentId=751351

 

[XM_Rocks]

It depends on which you compare them to. Yes, they're 'stiff' compared to most
mass-market summer tires. And yes, they're soft compared to most R compounds.
Actually Michelin never claimed the PSS to be a track tire, it's an UHP summer tire,
and certainly one of the best.

One of Michelin's press releases:

http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/aktion/Attachment.html?attachmentId=751351

Sorry but super soft is not how I would describe them.

Soft... maybe... super soft though.

I just got rid of some Bridgestone Potenza RE760 Sports and those were super soft.

The PSS strikes a nice balance between NVH and grip imo.

I know there are stiffer tires out there but if anything PSS are probably on the upper side of Middle as far as tires and streetable HPDE tires go.

 

[RacingManiac]

Compare to autoX tires, maybe, though Rival S isn't actually all that stiff. I got rid of mine after 2 events because it feels weird. PSSs are good trade off for DD use between driving spiritedly and road manner. I hated DDing on RE71R.

Just trying to see what Max Perf. tier tires will be around when I have to replace my PSSs eventually. PS4S will be a candidate, as will the new Conti if they did make it with stiffer sidewall than DWs.

 

[EB2429]

So is PSS sticking around or getting replaced? Currently PS4S is only on bigger wheels too.

It is likely the PSS will stay if it has homologation for a specific car, in the same way you can still buy PS2's in certain sizes even though it is clearly an older design these days. For example, 968/ 964 and I think 993 still list PS2 in N ratings for specific models, so thankfully Michelin still make them.

But my guess is more sizes of PS4s will roll out soon enough

 

[TecklenburgVW]

Engineering Explained just released a video on the PS4S:
https://youtu.be/kasI6HtxcH0


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[gboticus]

Matt Farah also did a writeup on his experience at the same event: http://www.thedrive.com/gear-up/7083/farah-tested-farah-approved-michelin-pilot-sport-4s

 

[mkygod]

Important note from Farah's review:

"They are the same price as the Super Sport, and they will be phased into production as the Super Sport is phased out, first in 19”, 20”, and 21” sizes this year, then 18” and 17” next year. "

 

[LJK]

Important note from Farah's review:

"They are the same price as the Super Sport, and they will be phased into production as the Super Sport is phased out, first in 19”, 20”, and 21” sizes this year, then 18” and 17” next year. "

Hoping the 18s come out sooner than next year, I was eyeing these for my next set.

 

[gboticus]

Just noticed that Tire rack has pricing! Doesn't list 18", only 19"

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireS...5&diameter=19&minSpeedRating=H&sortCode=57260