Isn't this a bit of semantics? Which ever bar is strongest - not a technical term - will dominate the balance characteristics. A rear bar increases oversteer, a front bar increases understeer...whichever is the dominant in a given setup, determines the balance characteristics - all else equal...ideally, a little slow speed oversteer leading to a little high speed understeer...this is the balance that I am after. Unfortunately, I cannot really push the car on the street...
...except, the front wasn't lacking front end grip before installing the larger front bar - this is relative to my given setup. My option here - all else equal - is to go back to the stock front bar. There is something else at work here too; I installed 15mm spacers on the front, 10mm on the rear, as an experiment a while back. Increasing the front track width - all else equal - increases front roll stiffness - more understeer...raises the front roll center - also softens the camber (compensation) curve. So, I'll remove those first so that I can begin base line my changes. The front bar and the wavetrac were installed together, so I've no way to understand either might work on their own.
The 4Ss are my DD tire in summer...always had a dedicated wheel and track tire package. Pilot Sport 2...?
This makes no sense to me, and I'm not challenging you, but my experiences are completely different. A stiffer front bar will at some point lift the inside front wheel off the ground (why we can see track focused RWD cars lifting the inside front wheel just a hair as the larger front bar helps to keep the rear tires planted ) as is transfers energy diagonally across the car to the rear. The rear bar does the exact opposite by keeping the front wheels on the ground, the nuances of alignment and spring/wheel rates aside. If I go back to a stock rear bar while using the larger H&R bar, the car will understeer more, more than it is now...and I for sure understand that stickier tires will help, but the balance will remain the same.
I am also focused on this new front bar because the balance clearly isn't working for my current setup. Going back to a more basic path, remove the spacers, increase rear spring rate, then tune with the swaybars...
xXDavidXx, if you are racing competitively, I imagine that you are also testing tire heat across the tread to aid in your setup decisions? I've done no such thing...balance and front end grip...
But, nice info about the front bar...and if XxDavidXx isn't tired of me by this point, my initial reflection of the larger FSB are all seat of the pants in very poor conditions; cold, AS tires, public roads. Certainly relative, especially when looking at your graphs...which I have to study and learn to read. Your commentary was informative for sure! Thanks for sharing.
