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Ukraine: WAR Huh - What Is It Good For Absorootly Nothing

Corprin

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I’m pulling for the plucky little bastards!
 

dtfd

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There's a lot more that goes into the equation that people are overlooking. With this deal, Putin got exactly what he wanted - he showed how "woke" the west is (whether or not that is true) AND he got his guy back.

That wouldn't have happened with Whelan.

It was a very bad move.
It's this.

I don't have a problem with a government working to free its citizens. I have a problem with the manner in which this was done, and who we released in exchange. It's celebrity worship over our own "values".

Either the U.S. got played like a fiddle or palms were greased and they just needed to facilitate a public enough spectacle to sell the story. I don't like the reality behind either option.
 

cb1111

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It's this.

I don't have a problem with a government working to free its citizens. I have a problem with the manner in which this was done, and who we released in exchange. It's celebrity worship over our own "values".

Either the U.S. got played like a fiddle or palms were greased and they just needed to facilitate a public enough spectacle to sell the story. I don't like the reality behind either option.
This
 

Superfreak

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Yep. I'm not quite sure what the backstory is on that teacher though.
Sounded like that teacher did a lot of good for a lot of diplomat’s kids. I don’t know all that much either but it would seem that he could have gotten out easier if he did know/ work for diplomats.
 

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Ukrainian drones are making life hell for Russian troops in Crimea (msn.com)

Russian rape gangs who attacked Ukraine children as young as four targeted by prosecutors (msn.com)

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Putin Ally Admits Friendly Relationship Saved Country From Russian Invasion (msn.com)

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Moscow Accuses U.S. of Direct Involvement in Attacks on Russian Territory (msn.com)

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Russia deploys strategic bombers to launch cruise missiles on Ukraine (msn.com)

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US responds to Russia's threats over Patriot missile systems (msn.com)

Russia Bolstering Crimea Defenses as Hold on Peninsula Threatened: Ukraine (msn.com)

'Heavy losses': Ukraine soldiers count war's cost away from front (msn.com)

Biden official tells Congress Ukraine could take back Crimea: report (msn.com)

Putin Strikes Back: Russian Military Back on Offense in Ukraine? (msn.com)

Russia launches another major missile attack on Ukraine (msn.com)

Ukraine Deradicalized Its Extremist Troops. Now They Might Be Preparing A Counteroffensive. (msn.com)

Russian media: Wagner Group executes 10 mercenaries for refusing to fight in Ukraine (msn.com)

General Staff: Russia fortifies Crimea, Kherson Oblast amid concerns about Ukrainian offensive. (msn.com)

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Ukraine says Russia has enough missiles for several more massive strikes (msn.com)

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Reporter's Notebook: Making Russia pay for Ukraine invasion (msn.com)
 

Superfreak

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I can’t remember if it was here or somewhere else but I’m excited for Ukraine to get some Patriot missiles. So stoked for Ukraine to end this shit. The so called Russian rape gangs make me feel like joining an Inglorious Bastards type mission. Me and my comfy life, what a disappointment that I’m not fighting the good fight.
 

cb1111

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I can’t remember if it was here or somewhere else but I’m excited for Ukraine to get some Patriot missiles. So stoked for Ukraine to end this shit. The so called Russian rape gangs make me feel like joining an Inglorious Bastards type mission. Me and my comfy life, what a disappointment that I’m not fighting the good fight.
There are all sorts of ways to help without going there or donating money.
 

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Ukrainian soldier downs Russian cruise missile with nothing but a machine gun (msn.com)

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Would Russia Start a War with America over Patriot Missiles for Ukraine? (msn.com) They must be worried…

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Russian Lawmaker: Moscow Will Use Missiles to 'Burn' Europeans With Napalm (msn.com)

Russia Has Suffered 'Strategic Defeat' As War Nears 10th Month: Igor Girkin (msn.com)

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Russia installs shield over Zaporizhzhia nuclear storage site (msn.com)

Video Shows Russian Cruise Missile Blasted Out of Sky Near Kyiv (msn.com)

Russia's Bakhmut Problems Show Putin 'Overestimated' His Forces: Commander (msn.com)

Russia announces territorial advances in Ukraine’s Donetsk region (msn.com)

Russia’s ability to mount Kyiv offensive questioned by analysts (msn.com)

General Staff: Russia withdrawing some forces from Kakhovka, Nova Kakhovka in Kherson Oblast (msn.com)

Russia sends St. Petersburg riot police to Mariupol to stop new protests (msn.com)

Top Ukrainian general says country is preparing for Russian invasion from the north | Watch (msn.com)

Russian oligarchs and companies have filed more than 60 lawsuits with the European Court of Justice to defend themselves against the sanctions. (msn.com)

Out of ideas? Putin demands proposals from armed forces for further action (msn.com)

Russia Changes Drone Launch Site Over Crimea Vulnerability Concerns: U.K (msn.com)

Putin’s Plan to Win in Ukraine: Kill the ‘Lights’ and Make People Freeze (msn.com)

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Russia accuses Moldova of censorship for suspending six TV channels with Russian-language content (msn.com)

Russia admits that progress in establishing a protection zone at the Zaporiyia power plant «is impossible». (msn.com)

Russia’s Shadowy Mercenary Air Force Is Losing More And More Jets In Ukraine (msn.com)

Air raid alerts went on across Ukraine following Russian jets reportedly taking off from Belarus (msn.com)

Moscow appeals for army recruits to fight in Ukraine through propaganda videos (msn.com)

Ukraine’s Fear: Putin Has a Secret Plan to Take Kyiv? (msn.com)

Poland's top cop set off grenade launcher by accident (msn.com)

Putin Will Get Angry: America Will Train More Soldiers from Ukraine (msn.com)

Ukraine scrambles to restore power, water after Russian attacks (msn.com)

Putin says Russia may adopt preemptive first strike nuclear policy (msn.com)

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Russian Envoy Says It May Seem U.S. 'Winning,' But New World Order Rising (msn.com)

A Million Russians Call Surrender Hotline as Death Toll Nears 100K: Intel (msn.com)

Ukraine’s Super-Upgraded M-55S Tanks Have Equipped A New Kind Of Brigade (msn.com)

Putin’s Next Problem: LEGO-Style Tanks and Airplanes Raising Cash for Ukraine (msn.com)

CIA Director: China has been paying 'careful attention' to Russia's poor military performance in Ukraine (msn.com)

Ukraine Situation Report: Assessing The Possibility Of A New Russian Offensive On Kyiv (msn.com)

Bad News, Putin: Russia Will Get Slapped with New Sanctions (msn.com)

Russia is trying to make Ukraine suffer before air defense arrives - analysis (msn.com)

Putin Is Mad: Ukraine Says ‘More Military Capabilities’ Coming (msn.com)
 

GTIfan99

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So they definitely got help from a third party and are using "temperature inversion" to explain away how they definitely DIDN'T get help. ;);)


I know I've brought this up before but.......why? Why trade for her at all, especially trade a arms dealer for a WNBA player who brought drugs into a country where those drugs are illegal. I understand to some degree the idea that it is a government's job to protect its citizens at home and abroad but this trade just doesn't make any sense. Unless you consider that an arms dealer has plenty of cash and plenty of palms were likely greased to make this happen on both ends of the table. Too bad for Whelan he doesn't have a great layup or black market money.
Stupid to take cannabis to Russia, but it was prescribed, and they usually don't jail in cases like that. Not sure if trading Bout was a good idea or not, but it's obvious her arrest was political.

As far as Whelan, he's an interesting character. Dishonorable discharge from Marine Corps and holds citizenship in 4 countries. Makes me wonder if he was spying for someone, not necessarily the US.

Anyway, other than an official from the most dishonest administration in US history, there's no indication Russia was going to release Whelan and Trump didn't so much as mention the guys name in the two years after he was arrested. The great negotiator left him there to rot. Remember, he only likes people that don't get captured.
 
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