Ohlins R&T

[Geomets]

Merry Christmas to everyone! I just found out that Öhlins released their Road & Track coilover system! Great news, indeed. So, according to their specs the front springs are 70N/mm (as the mk6 version) and the rears are 50N/mm (60N/mm in the mk6). The Bruce wrote somewhere else that 70N/mm are stiff (nearly twice stiffer than the standard GTI springs), so there comes a question. The reviews of the mk6 version were great, the owners praise Ohlins for these. Bruce, are you hearing? Have you tested them in a mk6 GTI? Are they STIFF? The stronger chassis in the mk7 will help the suspension, that's for sure. Starting to save money, MUST get them soon.

 

[the bruce]

Öhlins VWS MP20

Hey, this is good news !!

Scroll down:

http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/
http://www.ohlinsnews.com/current-i...nsion-developed-for-street-and-circuit-3.html
http://www.ohlinsnews.com/current-issue/project-under8-from-renault-3.html

Mk.VII PDF:

http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/MI_VWSMP20_0.pdf

I would have prefered R&T dampers (which as some may remember have been available
for the Mk.V/VI for a short period of time) alone, to run them with DG springs, but I will
most likely get these R&T coilovers, cos I like it stiff, and my girl friend does as well. While
DCC is still great, full stock or with DG springs, I prefer Öhlins over it.


Some points which come to mind:

- the Mk.VII R&T seems quite similar to the Mk.V/VI version and will probably feel similar
- as mentioned, spring rates seem to be 70 N/mm front and 50 N/mm rear
- it'll also fit the Mk.VII R (4WD), GTD and lesser Golfs, as long as they come with multilink rear axle and 55 mm front strut
- while it's stiffer than most coilovers, spring rates are still less compared to Clubsport coilovers (KW, H&R, VWR)
- it'll probably ride better than most other coilover with similar spring rates due to its proprietary damping technology
- seems to come without adjustable camber plates


All in all, still DD-able and great suspension for the spirited driver. I'll most likely get a Mk.VII
GTI without DCC since the Öhlins is available. Track junkies will miss adjustable camber plates.
H2sport and others will probably supply suitable camber plates for those who need them. I hope
to achieve some added camber with TT control arms.


sources:

USA:

http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/reseller/ohlins-usa-inc/

Canada:

http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/reseller/chag-autosport/

Germany:

http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/reseller/rent4ring/

 

[the bruce]

This is how Öhlins look on a Mk.VI GTI:

 

[nal]

i agree with u the bruce. i still do have the driver gear springs and the R&T dampers from my mark v.i will test fit them when i get the R 7 if they are not going to be compatible i will sell them and get these latest ones

 

[the bruce]

Basically most seems very similar, 55 mm dia front struts, same kind of rear damper.
But there is an old saying "the devil is in detail".
Strut and damper length could have changed, lower end of rear damper now connects
to lower control arm instead of hub, sway bar end links may sit at diffrent height etc..
Well worth a closer look though.

Mk.VI GTI DGs are lower spring rate = softer compared to 7R stock springs. While this
could even improve ride, it weakens handling and control. If they're Mk.VI R DGs, you're
probably fine - assuming physical fitment. Keep the difference in weight in mind.

 

[nal]

indeed so.only a test fit and butt feel will determine if they will be compatible because they are are differences between the platforms and also similarities.

 

[Geomets]

Hey, this is good news !!

Scroll down:

http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/
http://www.ohlinsnews.com/current-i...nsion-developed-for-street-and-circuit-3.html
http://www.ohlinsnews.com/current-issue/project-under8-from-renault-3.html

Mk.VII PDF:

http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/MI_VWSMP20_0.pdf

I would have prefered R&T dampers (which as some may remember have been available
for the Mk.V/VI for a short period of time) alone, to run them with DG springs, but I will
most likely get these R&T coilovers, cos I like it stiff, and my girl friend does as well. While
DCC is still great, full stock or with DG springs, I prefer Öhlins over it.


Some points which come to mind:

- the Mk.VII R&T seems quite similar to the Mk.V/VI version and will probably feel similar
- as mentioned, spring rates seem to be 70 N/mm front and 50 N/mm rear
- it'll also fit the Mk.VII R (4WD), GTD and lesser Golfs, as long as they come with multilink rear axle and 55 mm front strut
- while it's stiffer than most coilovers, spring rates are still less compared to Clubsport coilovers (KW, H&R, VWR)
- it'll probably ride better than most other coilover with similar spring rates due to its proprietary damping technology
- seems to come without adjustable camber plates


All in all, still DD-able and great suspension for the spirited driver. I'll most likely get a Mk.VII
GTI without DCC since the Öhlins is available. Track junkies will miss adjustable camber plates.
H2sport and others will probably supply suitable camber plates for those who need them. I hope
to achieve some added camber with TT control arms.


sources:

USA:

http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/reseller/ohlins-usa-inc/

Canada:

http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/reseller/chag-autosport/

Germany:

http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/reseller/rent4ring/

Thank you very much. I like spirited driving but I don't want to reduce the practicality of the car. It's the only coilover system that does not demand to lower the vehicle. As you can understand there are people out there that do not want to get lower than standard. Öhlins understood that too, thank God! By the way, do you know which is the cost of servicing them? The intervals are identical to the mk6 version I believe, ~30000km?

 

[nal]

Ohlins has a repair kit made up of some bearing parts for two dampers and u need their damper oil to replace after servicing plus re gassification of the damper.i had to service one damper previously due to a leak.i bought one repair kit and two litres of their damper oil.it cost me about 350 singapore dollars to buy.i still have some parts of the repair kit and one litre of their oil left.to maintain handling balance i re gassed the other 3 dampers for about 600 malaysian ringgit.all 4 dampers then became as good as new.that's the beauty of ohlins they are fully serviceable and once you have experienced its ride and handling performance you'll be forever hooked to it

 

[TecklenburgVW]

This product offering buy Ohlins sounds great; however, I really like the convenience that DCC offers to the Golf R (making adjustments to dampening via cabin). What are the chances that Ohlins makes a version of this kit for DCC Golf Rs or can I introduce a modification to the R&T kit to make them adjustable via the VW CANBus?

 

[the bruce]

I have no idea what the guys at Öhlins SE do plan, but on the other side
KW sell their DCC-compatible DDC coilovers, and Öhlins certainly is able to
do the same - if they want to. Öhlins even already manufactures valves for
electronically controlled dampers, delivering these to other companies.
Sadly, I don't remember which.
Even more, Öhlins do make this for bikes:

http://www.ohlins.com/About-the-comp...Multistrada-S/


Personally I also think DCC is a great thing and I'd love to have both at the
same time - DCC + Öhlins. The Polestar Volvo S/V60 had some stunning re-
views though. At first I just found the German translation, but you'll easily
find the English original if you click on the provided links:

https://www.ohlins.eu/de/news/Presse...60-V60--63290/

E.g.:

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/review...rds/ar-BB8iHHM

Volvo V60 Polestar: ride and handling

We suspect part of the reason this – and the numbers on the speedo – will consistently surprise you is that the V60 is by no means a lightweight vehicle. Polestar quotes 1,834kg, which not only masks the pace of progress, but is also a lot of mass for any kind of suspension set-up to handle.

Fortunately, we’re not dealing with any kind of suspension set-up here – rather one that's based around a set of dampers developed by one of the most respected names in motorsport. Öhlins and Polestar spent 60 days fine-tuning the units in question, and thanks to their unique Dual Flow Valve technology, these are most probably the best non-active shock absorbers fitted to any car currently on sale.

This is not a joke. What’s clever here is their consistent ability to comfortably control bumps at a very wide range of speeds. Sunken city-centre drain cover? No problem. Ridged kerb on the apex of a curve on a race track? Equally undramatic – the damping here is truly outstanding.

To put this into better perspective, Polestar has fitted springs that are 80% stiffer than those used in the regular V60 R-Design equivalent. And yet because the damping quality is so good, this car is – if anything – more comfortable, while offering a dazzling degree of composure on a twisting road.

It’s impossible to escape the weight entirely, but it’s hard to imagine how the result could be better than this, given that starting point. Meanwhile the new strutbrace and other hardware mods help improve the steering feel, the grip from the enlarged wheel and tyre package is consistently impressive, and the boosted brakes give you the confidence to really press on.

It’s a great package. Not as out-and-out sharp as multiple-championship-winning Polestar could presumably make it, but a thoroughbred compromise for a machine that has been designed for everyday, all-weather use.

I'd guess you'll hardly miss DCC with the Öhlins.


For service best call Öhlins USA (or the distributor whereever you live):

http://www.ohlinsusa.com/ohlins-usa-service

I don't see any need for a 30k interval if you don't track too often though.

 

[SHFT]

Anyone know what these things might cost?

 

[nal]

i dont think you will need dcc with the ohlins as the ride will be firm yet comfortable at all times.

 

[Geomets]

I don't see any need for a 30k interval if you don't track too often though.

I won't track at all, I don't have a track at all in a radius of 250km
But the roads around my town have any kind of twist you can imagine with awful traction coefficient. Imagine a kind of tarmac that has less grip in the dry than a wet one in your country. Plus it's pretty rugged almost everywhere with the odd potholes. You need utter control with some absorbing dampers here. So, according to your knowledge with the mk6, which is the interval of service in kms? Ok, mk7 is unknown territory yet, but could you give me a rough approximate?
As for the asking price is about £2200 for the mk6, haven't seen the mp20 yet in the online stores...

 

[the bruce]

Sorry, mate, I don't want to lean out the window with typical intervals,
I just can say, personally I use to feel the need to renew dampers bet-
ween 60 and 100 Tkm.
Most vaialable R&T coilovers are between 2000 (BMW E90) and 3000 €
(VW Mk.V/VI). This is even mad, as I don't see much difference in design
between these two. Contrarily, some Oöhlins coilovers for Porsches and
other performance cars are designed more advanced, so easily to under-
stand, they're even more expensive.

Porsche 997 GT3 Öhlins with external reservoir and separate adjustments für bump and rebound:

Golf V/VI Öhlins R&T:

 

[the bruce]

Öhlins R&T Mk.VI:

Quite interesting, Renault use an Öhlins R&T in its limited edition Megane R.S. 275 Trophy-R
with springs made of glass fiber reinforced plastic, which shave 2 kg weight:

This is quite new technology, but Renault isn't the first using them. Audi already
use this kind of springs on the A6. They're made by an Italian company: