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Consolidated Macan Brembo upgrade thread (READ FIRST POST)

GTIfan99

Autocross Champion
Location
FL
This is information that non0044, yirayira and I have put together over the last few months. We are not responsible for you changing your car from factory, and if you aren't knowledgeable about cars or braking systems, you might be better off keeping your cars OEM brakes.

Applications
The Macan calipers are direct fit on PP, R, and S3 with the info below. They also are direct fit on new A4 and A5, but you'll need to figure out brake lines. The applications listed below use same pads, RS3 have the slot for R owners to use brake wear sensor. They also fit the regular MK7 and non-PP GTI, but will require 345mm rotors. There's no bracket required, these bolt straight to the knuckle. You can not use Macan rotors. Everything is spelled out in detail below.


Calipers
Part number for calipers. Sunset Porsche sells them for $242 each. Available widely at almost any dealer for $250-ish.

95B-615-123-F
95B-615-124-F


Brake Pads
Pagid 2487 is the backing plate for the Macan pads and these are all the Pagid pads that use the same plate and thickness of pad. All of the below vehicles use the exact same pad as the Macan, regardless of rotor size.

REF NO. THICKNESS MAKE MODEL YEAR FRONT
2487 15.4 mm Aston Martin DB 9 04 → X, 355mm
2487 15.4 mm Aston Martin Vantage V8 GT4 ProDrive [race car] 12 → X, no idea, likely 370mm.
2487 15.4 mm Audi TT RS 2.5 Quattro 09 → X, 370mm
2487 15.4 mm Cadillac CTS-V (4 piston front caliper) 03 → 09 X, 355mm
2487 15.4 mm Chevrolet Corvette Brembo non ceramic 09 → X, 380mm
2487 15.4 mm Chevrolet Camaro SS non-1LE 09 → X, 345mm x 30mm
2487 15.4 mm Ford GT 04 → 06 X X, 355mm
2487 15.4 mm Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 07 → X, 355
2487 15.4 mm Ford Mustang Boss 302 12 → X, 355mm
2487 15.4 mm Honda (Acura) Acura TL 04 → X, 330mm
2487 15.4 mm Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 track 10 → X, 340mm
2487 15.4 mm Mitsubishi Lancer Evo V - Evo IX 98 → 06 X, 330mm
2487 15.4 mm Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X 07 → X, 350mm
2487 15.4 mm Subaru STI 03 → X, 330mm
2487 15.4 mm Volvo S60 Turbo R Brembo brakes 03 → X, 305mm
2487 15.4 mm Volvo V70 R 2.5T Brembo brakes 03 → X, 305mm
2487 15.4 mm Audi A3 RS3 Quattro 11 → X, 370mm
2487 15.4 mm Dodge Viper SRT TA (time attack) 14 → X X, 355mm as far as I can find.

For pads I used Z26 and Track Day. For $200 I got a set of street pads and track pads that are designed for these calipers. Part numbers below and I'll let everyone know about fitment once they come in and how they perform on street and track. I'll be running them on track with RE71R's, SRF fluid, and I'm not a slow driver. Autocross I'm top 5 pax in a large region with 5 or 6 current and former national champions and I beat up on some much faster cars on track, do some endurance racing raced carts as a kid and I'm a second slower at Sebring in a T4 Miata than my codriver who was just picked up for a TCA seat. , so I should be able to give a really good idea of how the Track Pads hold up.

Power Stop Z26-1001 $79
Power Stop PST-1001 $120


Brake Lines
For brake lines, email Chris@techna-fit.com and ask for the below. They were $50 + $9 shipping handling and he can do SS if you request. You can also use stock Macan lines but they're more expensive new and you have to ziptie them, so why? They can make them in SS.

Need 24" custom brake lines.
Hard line side 2016 Audi S3.
Needs the fitting to secure line to the knuckle.
Caliper side 2014 Audi S4.


Wheel fitment
17" and 18" barrels pretty easily clear the calipers, it's all going to be down to spoke design. The only wheels I know for sure that fit are listed below. I'll add to the list as I verify.

18x8.5 +45 Neuspeed RSe10
18 x 7.5 +51 factory Pretorias DO NOT FIT without 20mm spacer. I would never run that much spacer. YMMV.
17x8 +45mm Neuspeed RSE05 - fit perfectly without spacers or hub rings
17 x 7.5 +45 Konig Runlites fit with 10mm spacer.
17x7.5" +48mm RPF1 - do NOT fit (5mm is required to clear the face. 15mm spacers did not clear the barrel. Likely over 20mm required)
17x7.5" +42mm Sport Edition P4 - 12mm spacers required to clear face
17 x 8.5 +45 RSe16 fits no spacers.
18x9 ET45 Advan GT

Template for testing fitment with Macan calipers.
http://bd8ba3c866c8cbc330ab-7b...cdn.com/Q5_B8_BBK_Template.pdf



Caliper Rebuild Kit

Centric Parts
Part Number: 143.62059


Brake ducting
I'm removing the heat shields and I've bought Porsche GT3/2 brake ducts. They're $8 a set.


Rotors
M6 R/R32/CC 345mm x 30mm rotors fit perfectly, but you can stil use your 340mm x 30mm without issue. I test fitted rotors off a friends mk6 R and it's perfect. Less than .5 above and 3mm below the pad not being swept by pad.


VCDS/OBDeleven optimizations
I think I figured out why the brakes are so weird feeling. Even after I got them to firm up, they never really felt like I'm used to in my old STI or 911. I bought OBD11 to make some changes for track and had an ah ha moment.

The last change to make was for hydraulic brake assist, but I couldn't get it to work in OBD11 because I didn't have the correct security code. Took a couple of days to find it, but in the meantime, I drove around with the other changes and brakes felt the same. I finally found the code and deactivated Hydraulic brake assistance in the 03 module and they brakes actually work like a normal car now. Holy cow, night and day difference.

Here are some of the changes, but hydraulic brake assist is the only one your notice in everyday driving.

03 braking module security code 25757 worked for straight ahead brake stabilization. Turned it off and it'll allow trail braking into a corner without the abs fighting you.

03 braking module security code11966 worked for hydraulic brake assist. Removes the computer controlled brake boost that smooths out your braking and boosts braking pressure in panic stops. Gives you 100% control of brake pressure. Pedal felt amazing after turning off.

03 abs module Brake booster security code 25001. Factory setting 4, most use 2, I like 3.

Impressions
I haven't tracked them yet, but did a shakedown at an autocross. So much easier to modulate and they felt amazing. PP were always grabby and inconsistent. I'll update once I hit the track, but I expect about the same performance as these calipers when they were on my STI, as Subaru used the same 2 piece Brembo design.

Enjoy.
 
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yirayira

Go Kart Newbie
Location
Lancaster, PA
Facts
As of Spring 2020 - $740 to your door is possible including pads and fluid
(y)Brake calipers from the MLB platform bolt right onto the MK7 MQB aluminum knuckles
(y)Fitment on the GTI has been confirmed with custom brake lines
(y)Base trim Macan has 4 piston Brembo calipers that will fit OEM Golf 340mm rotors
(y)The calipers clear 345mm rotors from the MK6 Golf R
(y)345mm fitment is better than stock Performance Package with less unswept area on the rotor
(y)Pad shape 1001 fit and are common
(y)Setup clears certain 17" wheels
(y)Required items listed below



Pictured is a 2015 GTI with:
Calipers - Base Macan Brembos
Rotors - MK6R 345mm Zimmerman blanks
Lines - Stainless clear coated Techna-Fit
Pads:
  • Street
    • Centric 104.10010
    • Powerstop Z23-1001
  • Track
    • Raybestos ST-43 R1001.15
Wheels -
  • Enkei RPF1 - 17x7.5" +48mm, do NOT fit (5mm is required to clear the face. 15mm spacers did not clear the barrel. Likely over 20mm required)
    • TireRack Sport Edition P4 - 17x7.5" +42mm, 12mm spacers required to clear face
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  • Neuspeed RSE05 - 17x8" +45mm, fit perfectly without spacers or hub rings
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Lowest internet prices for US buyers as of Spring 2020:
Calipers -
$238.40 each plus $15-$30 shipping with no added tax
Rotors -
345mm Zimmerman blanks - $65 each free shipping plus tax
Pads -
Street - PowerStop Z23 - $50 per set free shipping plus tax
Track - Raybestos ST-43 - $250+
Lines -
$50 per set plus shipping no added tax
Cooling fins -
$12 each plus shipping no added tax
Fluid -
Castrol SRF - $68 per liter free shipping plus tax. Free refills (often backordered)
GTIFAN99 nono0044 thank you for doing the legwork on what is likely the best value BBK
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JK thanks GTIFAN99 ?(y)(y)
 
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GTIfan99

Autocross Champion
Location
FL
This is mine. Macan calipers, 345mm mk6 R Zimmermann rotors, 10mm spacer with 17 x 7.5 Konig Runlites.

Used them this weekend for the first time in anger at an autocross. So easy to modulate compared to the PP brakes. So happy with them and the Z26 pads.

I'll let you all know how they do at their first track day with better fluid, track day pads and the GT3 ducts.

I'm loving how this build is turning out. The car was amazing yesterday.
 

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nono0044

Go Kart Champion
Location
Toronto
Running mine on mk7 R 340mm rotors. No overhang on the pads, confirmed when I took off the pads to check wear.

Hel Performance SS lines

STi Centric Posi-Quiet Ceramic pads for daily, Endless ME22 for track

Neuspeed RSe10 in 18x8.5 +45, no spacers required. Will probably fit my Konig Dekagram 18x8.5 +43 with 8mm or 10mm spacers. Haven't had the time to check.



GTIFAN99 thank you for doing the legwork on what is likely the best value BBK ??
Rude.
 

GTIfan99

Autocross Champion
Location
FL
GTIFAN99 thank you for doing the legwork on what is likely the best value BBK ??

Pictured is my 2015 GTI with:
Calipers - Macan Brembos
Rotors - MK6R 345mm Zimmerman blanks
Lines - Stainless Techna-Fit
Pads:
Street - Centric 104.10010 for $30 Powerstop Z23-1001 for $40
Track - Raybestos ST-43 R1001.15?
Wheels - Neuspeed RSE05 17lbs, in 17x8" ET45mm, fit perfectly without spacers or hub rings

View attachment 163962
nono0044, did it first, I added to his work and consolidated it.
 

GTIfan99

Autocross Champion
Location
FL
Running mine on mk7 R 340mm rotors. No overhang on the pads, confirmed when I took off the pads to check wear.

Hel Performance SS lines

STi Centric Posi-Quiet Ceramic pads for daily, Endless ME22 for track

Neuspeed RSe10 in 18x8.5 +45, no spacers required. Will probably fit my Konig Dekagram 18x8.5 +43 with 8mm or 10mm spacers. Haven't had the time to check.





Rude.
Mine have zero overhang and a barely measurable unswept area at the outer edge. I don't see how you don't have any overhang.
 

yirayira

Go Kart Newbie
Location
Lancaster, PA
I'll let you all know how they do at their first track day with better fluid, track day pads and the GT3 ducts.
Last season I was using the 986 Boxster 4 pot Brembos on the standard 312mm front rotors. I only recommend trimming down the heat shields significantly while still leaving enough to protect bushes, ball joints, and the ABS module. My front and rear shields are back on, don't be like me with crispy parts...
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I tried out both to compare the GT3 and RS3 plastic cooling fins. I prefer the RS3 part. It is a no trim fit that seems to direct air at the proper angle and it's lighter so I had to lol
 

nono0044

Go Kart Champion
Location
Toronto
Mine have zero overhang and a barely measurable unswept area at the outer edge. I don't see how you don't have any overhang.
I posted some pics in the other thread, but the pads show no sign of lip from there being overhang:

Peeking into the top loading cutout, the pads are maybe like 0.5-1mm away from the edge of the rotor. Again, definitely would go 345mm if I had to do it again, but 340mm rotors work if you have them on hand.

I tried out both to compare the GT3 and RS3 plastic cooling fins. I prefer the RS3 part. It is a no trim fit that seems to direct air at the proper angle and it's lighter so I had to lol
I have the RS3 ones, and I like how they're got a bigger width to catch air. Don't need to take of the heatshield, and they push air onto the caliper.
 

GTIfan99

Autocross Champion
Location
FL

GTIfan99

Autocross Champion
Location
FL
GTIFAN99 nono0044 thank you for doing the legwork on what is likely the best value BBK ??

Pictured is my 2015 GTI with:
Calipers - The base Macan Brembos
Rotors - MK6R 345mm Zimmerman blanks
Lines - Stainless clear coated Techna-Fit
Pads:
Street - Centric 104.10010 or Powerstop Z23-1001
Track - Raybestos ST-43 R1001.15?
Wheels -
Enkei RPF1 - 17x7.5" +35mm, do NOT fit (5mm is required to clear the face. 15mm spacers did not clear the barrel. Likely over 20mm required)
TireRack SportEdition P4 - 17x7.5" +42mm, 12mm spacers required to clear face
Neuspeed RSE05 - 17x8" +45mm, fit perfectly without spacers or hub rings
View attachment 163962


Lowest prices as of January 2020:
Calipers -
$238.40 plus $15-$30 shipping with no added tax
Rotors -
345mm Zimmerman blanks - $65 free shipping plus tax
Pads -
Street - PowerStop Z23 - $50 free shipping plus tax
Track - Raybestos ST-43 - $priceless
Lines -
$50 plus shipping no added tax
Cooling fins -
$25 plus shipping no added tax
Fluid -
Castrol SRF - $68 free shipping plus tax. Free refills (often backordered)
Harsh man, no need to cross me out. I did the research on all the pad and rotor options.

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geokilla

Ready to race!
Location
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Car(s)
2018 VW GTI DSG
I've been following the original thread, skimming it and I got a couple questions that I think it's better to ask in here cus this is consolidated.

  1. Are the Porsche Macan calipers only for the front? Or front and rear? I can probably get away with only upgrading the fronts right?
  2. So if I was to run performance brake pads, I can run pads from any of the listed vehicles in the OP? Meaning my friends who have a S60R can technically run brake pads from a Lancer Evolution X?! Or a Porsche Macan? Same for my GTI with PP brakes if I made this mod?
  3. What is pad overhang? Assuming I do this mod in the future, I would most likely be running Zimmermann 340mm rotors in the front since I can use the FCP lifetime warranty on them.
  4. Subjective but any advantages for tracking with this caliper set up compared to stock set up with upgraded pads? I'm an intermediate tracker. Developed most of my skill from playing Gran Turismo as a kid and started tracking last year. Taking it easy and have no plans on doing a stage 1 until later this year or next year as I'm doing handling and braking upgrades first. As well as driver skill upgrade of course.
 

GTIfan99

Autocross Champion
Location
FL
I've been following the original thread, skimming it and I got a couple questions that I think it's better to ask in here cus this is consolidated.

  1. Are the Porsche Macan calipers only for the front? Or front and rear? I can probably get away with only upgrading the fronts right?
  2. So if I was to run performance brake pads, I can run pads from any of the listed vehicles in the OP? Meaning my friends who have a S60R can technically run brake pads from a Lancer Evolution X?! Or a Porsche Macan? Same for my GTI with PP brakes if I made this mod?
  3. What is pad overhang? Assuming I do this mod in the future, I would most likely be running Zimmermann 340mm rotors in the front since I can use the FCP lifetime warranty on them.
  4. Subjective but any advantages for tracking with this caliper set up compared to stock set up with upgraded pads? I'm an intermediate tracker. Developed most of my skill from playing Gran Turismo as a kid and started tracking last year. Taking it easy and have no plans on doing a stage 1 until later this year or next year as I'm doing handling and braking upgrades first. As well as driver skill upgrade of course.
1. Yes, just fronts.
2. Yes, they'll all fit, but some have cutouts for wear sensors, like the RS3. So if you have an Audi A3 or Golf R with wear sensor and you want to retain it, you'll need to use pads designed specifically for the RS3.
3. Under or Overhand refers to the pads foot print on the rotor. The worry for me is that this setup is really designed to use 345mm rotors and that the pads will extend beyond the outside circumference of the rotors. nono0044 says he isn't having an issue with that with the 340mm rotor, the pads are half a millimeter from the outside circumference of my 345mm rotors. I don't see how that's possible, but it hard to say. If you're upgrading from 312mm, just get 345mm rotors from mk6 R. If you have PP rotors now, it's you're choice, but I sold my entire PP front setup, rotors included, for $450, so I feel pretty good about how inexpensive this turned out for me.
4. Calipers are lighter, rotors 345mm vs 340mm, more choice in pads, easy to swap pads between street and track pads, they're so much easier to modulate than the PP, and they will shed heat faster. They also look sexy, which is good for a full second faster a lap. I swear.
 

yirayira

Go Kart Newbie
Location
Lancaster, PA
Harsh man, no need to cross me out. I did the research on all the pad and rotor options.

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Haha yeah gotta give both of us credit.
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4. Calipers are lighter, rotors 345mm vs 340mm, more choice in pads, easy to swap pads between street and track pads, they're so much easier to modulate than the PP, and they will shed heat faster. They also look sexy, which is good for a full second faster a lap. I swear.
More even pad wear is also a huge benefit
 
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