Unreal1
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The only way this country will come together and heal is by dropping its partisanship and simply being objective. But no one is interested in holding their own accountable.
If you're doing something as drastic as raiding a former president, you better retrieve as much evidence as possible. Walking away with only a few documents would be worse. I really don't think the length of the search changes the optics or makes people more or less comfortable about the situation.
Pshh. We'd need bananas, or some other commodity, to sell to a powerful country to be on the level of a banana republic. We'll be a 3rd world shit show pretty soon, at this rate.With the current precedent now set, looking forward to raiding the Bidens home when the right is back in power! Except we might find cocaine, a meth lab, hookers, and bags of cash! Oh, and probably another laptop self incriminating Hunter Biden with multiple felonies.........again.
Seriously, the last (somewhat) peaceful transition of power in the country might be behind us now, hello banana republic.
I agree with all of this. Except the banana republic part. Nobody wants our bananas.The burden of proof is on "the state", not the individual. That's how the republic is supposed to work
The warrant stating any and all documents from his presidency, leans more to fishing expedition,for the moment, as the affidavit is still not released. Government agents allegedly saw everything he had from Feb to June of this year (an entire year after he left office, and no one knew?)....if it was this grave threat to national security, why wait till August 5th to get a warrant, and then sit on it for 2.5 days. Clown show. They would have had an better "case" in the public eye if they executed "the warrant" in 15 mins and took the boxes they new existed and bailed with what they got, they lost a fair mount of public opinion when they thew everyone outside, said turn off the cameras and spent an entire day there rummaging around.
For almost all items of classified information from the time he was president, he is the classification authority
If the FBI found it "too difficult" to prosecute a Clinton type for having a private server (so she could actively avoid federal records acts/law (intent....anyone...bueller....bueller) while she was actively running for public office, then how are the going to play this one (for a private box... )???? Even if every allegedly made by the state in this case becomes true and admissible in a court. The current regime, along with administrative state is using "the process" as a punishment against the last regime. Especially because in the current climate they fear him being elected again. The administative state is in turn, solidifying mostly political moderates support of trump, so they are causing alot of the own problem they fear. The self licking ice cream cone of Bureaucracy
People in lesser fortunate countries understand what happens when the new admin, throws the old admin in prison. Consequences of an action like that when the general public according to vote tallies is slip near to the 50/50 mark? A broading of political divide.
Ex presidents still hold security clearances and get intelligence briefings...
Allow myself to quote, myself,
The...What about-ism....official....
Obama took documents....he has enough of the bureaucracy behind him to support or "make the paperwork" official during or after the fact, so it's ok...for his "library"
"Hillary Clinton purged 33,000 emails after they were subpoenaed. She lied to Congress and the Administration about their existence, the existence of a personal server, and she destroyed hard-drives and cell phones after they were subpoenaed. She stored classified information on personal devices that weren't approved for such storage. She paid an attorney to knowingly deliver a fake dossier, and the attorney, in the process, stated to federal investigators that he was doing so of his own volition, lying directly about the nature of the document. The document was then used to obtain multiple illegal FISA warrants to surveil administration personnel, after federal agents knowingly lied to the court about the veracity and reliability of the information in the dossier, when they knew it was false. Federal agents then conspired to falsely accuse and convict an administration member after reporting that "there was nothing wrong, no crime had been committed, and asking what do you want us to do, make something up," and upon being told to do, did. They then threatened the family of the administration official with ruin, threatening to harass and bankrupt their extended family if they didn't plead guilty, saying "the process is the punishment." No double standard. Rational Americans no longer trust the government."
Now Hillary is gloating about getting off...by selling hats....and the orange man bad...mob... is cheering her...while saying people "believing different" (with tangible evidence about government perpetrated crimes) are as a whole "threats to democracy".
Banana Republic, Clown show.
then just subpoena him to retrieve them, if you make no progress on the known inventory. Then you would have an clear cut justification
Based on the quality of our roads and cellular coverage/internet speeds, we've been a third world country for a while.Pshh. We'd need bananas, or some other commodity, to sell to a powerful country to be on the level of a banana republic. We'll be a 3rd world shit show pretty soon, at this rate.
No it's not. He and his lawyers had been negotiating with the government for months. That's how it's done properly. It's how Obama was handled. But this was Trump, not Obama. He gave them 15 boxes of requested material. They couldn't find anything to make a huge dust up over, much less anything illegal. So they wanted more. His lawyers had been negotiating with the government successfully. Then the activist Garland decides he doesn't want to wait and sets up the raid when he knew Trump was out of town. He makes up lies about imminent threats to national security. This is banana republic stuff.Turns out, that's exactly what they did. They subpoenaed him, but he didn't turn everything over, so here we are today.
Search, Pelosi...wrap up smear on youtube...No it's not. He and his lawyers had been negotiating with the government for months. That's how it's done properly. It's how Obama was handled. But this was Trump, not Obama. He gave them 15 boxes of requested material. They couldn't find anything to make a huge dust up over, much less anything illegal. So they wanted more. His lawyers had been negotiating with the government successfully. Then the activist Garland decides he doesn't want to wait and sets up the raid when he knew Trump was out of town. He makes up lies about imminent threats to national security. This is banana republic stuff.
J6. They are trying to keep him off the 2024 ballot by making up enough crap that can be slung 24/7 in the MSM that blue states will do exactly that. Just watch.
Everything he took was declassified by his actions, he had the authority. Whatever nuclear stuff he has is surely out of date by now, he's out of the loop so to speak anyway (until 2024).It turns out there might be something to this, for once.
https://reason.com/2022/08/12/trump-raid-allegedly-found-highly-classified-top-secret-documents/
The question now is, why would Trump have these types of documents at Mar-a-Lago? The notion that he declassified SCI (allegedly nuclear) documents is probably BS. But it wouldn't be hard to prove if Trump is telling the truth. So the ball is in his court now to prove his claim.
0barna took millions of documents that were meant for the archives and nobody ever saw them again. Where is his raid???No it's not. He and his lawyers had been negotiating with the government for months. That's how it's done properly. It's how Obama was handled. But this was Trump, not Obama. He gave them 15 boxes of requested material. They couldn't find anything to make a huge dust up over, much less anything illegal. So they wanted more. His lawyers had been negotiating with the government successfully. Then the activist Garland decides he doesn't want to wait and sets up the raid when he knew Trump was out of town. He makes up lies about imminent threats to national security. This is banana republic stuff.
J6. They are trying to keep him off the 2024 ballot by making up enough crap that can be slung 24/7 in the MSM that blue states will do exactly that. Just watch.
I personally think this was a smear campaign to keep Trump-endorsed candidates from winning the midterms. And then to keep him from running again. The timing of it all is very suspect. He's been sitting on this stuff for 18 months and nobody cared until now?To be clear...I'm not saying the search was or wasn't warranted, I am speaking about optics to the average American. From the inventory sheet, it looks like they continued to only find the documents they knew existed. My opinion on the matter can change, if newer information comes to light.
As for the "healing...statement" I find there to be less tolerance of anything on the the political left, while in general professing to be the most tolerant.
I completely agree with you the no one cares in general until if affects them, defiantly a problem, and it allows the power structure to win, when it shouldn't. Like all the "new and impoved" irs funding....
As an example of problems affecting people... most women don't care or have "no idea" about the problems of men, until they are forced to be confronted about them by having a son, which is causing a lot of problems for society these days.