dietcokefiend
Master of Disaster
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2019 GTI 6MT or DSG Stalling Issue
I'm starting to get very concerned there is a widespread issue with the 2019 GTI 6MT stalling. The issue presents itself slowing down to a stop, where the engine will soft stall and require restarting. Many owners with this problem also have brought up the same secondary issue where the transmission gear selection indicator will show the wrong gear selected.
Example of the soft stall of a 2019 GTI w/ DSG (
). User comments a throttle body adaptation solved his issue.
More examples of how the 6MT stalls
1. I've been tracking this for a few weeks now. I'm up to 100+ on Reddit, this post and the Rabbit Facebook group combined.
2. All members with the stalling issue have had it crop up at low mileage (500-1000 miles) with the engine turning off when the car comes up to a stop. Some have mentioned the car turns off softly, almost like how the auto start/stop will turn off an engine in a GTI with the DSG transmission. One member has had his car cut out at highway speed though with this problem, so it isn't limited to just low-speed stalls. No CELs are stored.
3. Most members with this problem have also identified another problem where the transmission gear selector indicator incorrectly states which gear the transmission is selecting. An example would be the transmission is physically in 4th, but the dash indicator states the gear is 2nd or 3rd.
At this time I would highly encourage owners of the 2019 VW GTI Rabbit with the 6MT or DSG experiencing this problem to do the following:
1. File a NHSTA complaint. This step is the most important since it will get the ball rolling for a formal recall and allow VWOA and dealers to properly root source this problem quickly. This issue is a safety one, we need this resolved before someone is hurt or worse. https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/
As of July 18, 2019 there over 135 complaints submitted to the NHTSA about stalling.
2. Open a case with VWOA, stating the problem.
3. Explaining to the dealer the problem you are encountering.
https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51246
https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50116&page=5
https://www.reddit.com/r/GolfGTI/comments/b3bpks
https://www.reddit.com/r/GolfGTI/comments/b2wv44/_/eiw0z4l
https://www.reddit.com/r/GolfGTI/comments/avtohu/car_stalls_randomly_when_braking_one_dealer/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GolfGTI/comments/amh7h0/golf_gti_mk75_stalling_coming_to_stop_with_clutch/
Update 6/27/2019
Currently None of the attempted fixes have been a cure for cars. ECM updates are seeing stalling return, 5w40 oil changes are seeing stalling return. VWoA has also been calling owners of effected cars asking about starting the buyback process. The more recent behind the scenes discussion that we've seen across the different GTI message board areas has been VW is aware but has no idea on what the cause is at this point.
Currently all 2019 GTI and GLI models are in the affected group, still heavily weighted against the 6MT, but some DSG models seem to get reports of stalling as well.
Update Aug 1, 2019
Buybacks are rolling out in force. Most models in for dealer repairs are getting forced buybacks. Not inspiring confidence for those of us who haven’t had stalling yet.
Update August 12, 2019
I personally filed an NHTSA Petition for Defect Investigation (https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showpost.php?p=835026&postcount=1441)
Update 2020
VW Issues a Service Action 24FD (https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2019/MC-10169120-0001.pdf) which addresses stalling found on certain 2019 GTI/GLI models. Initial feedback from users across this forum, Reddit and Facebook is that its solving the problem. The NHTSA petition remains active, which with how slow the gears of government roll, may take a year or more to wrap up into the next phase.
I'm starting to get very concerned there is a widespread issue with the 2019 GTI 6MT stalling. The issue presents itself slowing down to a stop, where the engine will soft stall and require restarting. Many owners with this problem also have brought up the same secondary issue where the transmission gear selection indicator will show the wrong gear selected.
Example of the soft stall of a 2019 GTI w/ DSG (
More examples of how the 6MT stalls
1. I've been tracking this for a few weeks now. I'm up to 100+ on Reddit, this post and the Rabbit Facebook group combined.
2. All members with the stalling issue have had it crop up at low mileage (500-1000 miles) with the engine turning off when the car comes up to a stop. Some have mentioned the car turns off softly, almost like how the auto start/stop will turn off an engine in a GTI with the DSG transmission. One member has had his car cut out at highway speed though with this problem, so it isn't limited to just low-speed stalls. No CELs are stored.
3. Most members with this problem have also identified another problem where the transmission gear selector indicator incorrectly states which gear the transmission is selecting. An example would be the transmission is physically in 4th, but the dash indicator states the gear is 2nd or 3rd.
At this time I would highly encourage owners of the 2019 VW GTI Rabbit with the 6MT or DSG experiencing this problem to do the following:
1. File a NHSTA complaint. This step is the most important since it will get the ball rolling for a formal recall and allow VWOA and dealers to properly root source this problem quickly. This issue is a safety one, we need this resolved before someone is hurt or worse. https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/
As of July 18, 2019 there over 135 complaints submitted to the NHTSA about stalling.
2. Open a case with VWOA, stating the problem.
3. Explaining to the dealer the problem you are encountering.
https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51246
https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50116&page=5
https://www.reddit.com/r/GolfGTI/comments/b3bpks
https://www.reddit.com/r/GolfGTI/comments/b2wv44/_/eiw0z4l
https://www.reddit.com/r/GolfGTI/comments/avtohu/car_stalls_randomly_when_braking_one_dealer/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GolfGTI/comments/amh7h0/golf_gti_mk75_stalling_coming_to_stop_with_clutch/
Update 6/27/2019
Currently None of the attempted fixes have been a cure for cars. ECM updates are seeing stalling return, 5w40 oil changes are seeing stalling return. VWoA has also been calling owners of effected cars asking about starting the buyback process. The more recent behind the scenes discussion that we've seen across the different GTI message board areas has been VW is aware but has no idea on what the cause is at this point.
Currently all 2019 GTI and GLI models are in the affected group, still heavily weighted against the 6MT, but some DSG models seem to get reports of stalling as well.
Update Aug 1, 2019
Buybacks are rolling out in force. Most models in for dealer repairs are getting forced buybacks. Not inspiring confidence for those of us who haven’t had stalling yet.
Update August 12, 2019
I personally filed an NHTSA Petition for Defect Investigation (https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showpost.php?p=835026&postcount=1441)
Update 2020
VW Issues a Service Action 24FD (https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2019/MC-10169120-0001.pdf) which addresses stalling found on certain 2019 GTI/GLI models. Initial feedback from users across this forum, Reddit and Facebook is that its solving the problem. The NHTSA petition remains active, which with how slow the gears of government roll, may take a year or more to wrap up into the next phase.
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