That's not true, sounds like your friends want to make a sale. VWoA would be able to see the exact date the stock map left the vehicle, and the date a stock-like map was re-added.
That's not what is being checked for context and reference. Nobody at VWoA (or VW AG) is doing anything. Instead, this is all based on an automated process involving a system protection method that uses cryptography, symmetric keys, digital signatures and hashing.
I'm only correcting you because I think 1% of people actually understand how this works and everyone just assumes/spreads theories. I know, with 100% certainty, this is how it works.
definitely bullshit. the moment that obd cable is in and that counter is a different number than expected, that's sent to the servers. instant td01. dealership has zero say so in the matter
That's not what is being checked for context and reference. Nobody at VWoA (or VW AG) is doing anything. Instead, this is all based on an automated process involving a system protection method that uses cryptography, symmetric keys, digital signatures and hashing.
I'm only correcting you because I think 1% of people actually understand how this works and everyone just assumes/spreads theories. I know, with 100% certainty, this is how it works.
That's not what is being checked for context and reference. Nobody at VWoA (or VW AG) is doing anything. Instead, this is all based on an automated process involving a system protection method that uses cryptography, symmetric keys, digital signatures and hashing.
I'm only correcting you because I think 1% of people actually understand how this works and everyone just assumes/spreads theories. I know, with 100% certainty, this is how it works.
Called the dealer, foreman said he doesn't know how it works but once its plugged in and connected and a scan of any kind begins, it gets flagged. They have no way of reversing it (obviously). He didn't mention anything about cryptography, keys, signature etc. Not saying you're wrong.
Ultimately those things can be defeated and reversed so you wont trip td01. With out a doubt. The problem is, the existence of these things were created so if someone did manage to brazenly attempt to reverse and hide their reflash, VW can now absolutely and immediately sue the hell out of you. These systems function more as a visual deterrent vs an actual one. Case in point, Honda ecu's and hondata. Now you literally have to "jail break" the damn thing. Guess what happens when that ecu is plugged into a honda dealerships software? Even if you flash back to stock, you cant return to the same state before you reflashed.
I'm only correcting you because I think 1% of people actually understand how this works and everyone just assumes/spreads theories. I know, with 100% certainty, this is how it works.
Happy to listen if you want to explain further. My degree is Cybersecurity so I'd love to know what's going on, which hashing algorithms are being used... etc. Kind of makes sense if they're seeing keys/signatures on your car that no longer match what they have.
Also makes me realize we are most likely only a few years from a future where mapping data is completely encrypted, meaning no more / or a systematic change to the way AccessPorts function.
Called the dealer, foreman said he doesn't know how it works but once its plugged in and connected and a scan of any kind begins, it gets flagged. They have no way of reversing it (obviously). He didn't mention anything about cryptography, keys, signature etc. Not saying you're wrong.
Ultimately those things can be defeated and reversed so you wont trip td01. With out a doubt. The problem is, the existence of these things were created so if someone did manage to brazenly attempt to reverse and hide their reflash, VW can now absolutely and immediately sue the hell out of you. These systems function more as a visual deterrent vs an actual one. Case in point, Honda ecu's and hondata. Now you literally have to "jail break" the damn thing. Guess what happens when that ecu is plugged into a honda dealerships software? Even if you flash back to stock, you cant return to the same state before you reflashed.
I've never met a single person who works at a dealership that actually knows how this works, and this doesn't surprise me. They're not supposed to know or they'd be working on these systems and not at a dealership.
Volkswagen's system is built on a base method/system first created by BMW that was originally patented in 2006 (filed)/2007 (published). The original (and updated) security concepts being used here are not unique to the car industry, they've existed way before BMW started leveraging them in the base design/architecture.
I've never met a single person who works at a dealership that actual knows how this works, and this doesn't surprise me. They're not supposed to know or they'd be working on these systems and not at a dealership.
Volkswagen's system is built on a base method/system first created by BMW that was originally patented in 2006 (filed)/2007 (published). The original (and updated) security concepts being used here are not unique to the car industry, they've existed way before BMW started leveraging them in the base design/architecture.
First time I saw a system like this might have been on the LS2 gto. But yeah, these systems arent easy enough for someone with no experience like to me to crack them. Folks with experience definitely can, these systems aren't crazy complex. And they really aren't meant to be complex, it's more so taking the form of a bright colored frog. Don't touch it or the frog will sue (poison) the fucking fuck out of you so damn quick. AKA visual deterrent lol.
Happy to listen if you want to explain further. My degree is Cybersecurity so I'd love to know what's going on, which hashing algorithms are being used... etc. Kind of makes sense if they're seeing keys/signatures on your car that no longer match what they have.
Also makes me realize we are most likely only a few years from a future where mapping data is completely encrypted, meaning no more / or a systematic change to the way AccessPorts function.
That's not what is being checked for context and reference. Nobody at VWoA (or VW AG) is doing anything. Instead, this is all based on an automated process involving a system protection method that uses cryptography, symmetric keys, digital signatures and hashing.
I'm only correcting you because I think 1% of people actually understand how this works and everyone just assumes/spreads theories. I know, with 100% certainty, this is how it works.
For sake of simplicity everyone in the forum has always referred to it as a flash counter.
Whatever the technical terms are the fact is VW can tell the number of times the ECU has been flashed.
Happy to listen if you want to explain further. My degree is Cybersecurity so I'd love to know what's going on, which hashing algorithms are being used... etc. Kind of makes sense if they're seeing keys/signatures on your car that no longer match what they have.
Also makes me realize we are most likely only a few years from a future where mapping data is completely encrypted, meaning no more / or a systematic change to the way AccessPorts function.
For sake of simplicity everyone in the forum has always referred to it as a flash counter.
Whatever the technical terms are the fact is VW can tell the number of times the ECU has been flashed.
