2016+ Clubsport Modifications - Part Numbers

[riceburner]

see #111, compare part numbers

DP is different, center is different, muffler is different (to GTI/PP).
That muffler is louder despite it's smaller diameter between center
silencer and muffler on the CS. Contrarily the CSS muffler is same
diameter as GTI/PP and R. Actually the CSS muffler is what you'd
really want. Even harder to obtain though.
Biggest advantages of CS center and muffler over aftermarket bits:
Fully OE looks and entirely free of any drone. Highly enjoyable note.

Hey, thank you for the help.

I need to be clear: So the clubsport 'S' model comes with a different muffler from the clubsport, which would be more desireable, however even the regular clubsport muffler does differ/is louder/better sounding than the GTI/PP muffler?

Thanks.

 

[riceburner]

Looks like i found the CSS muffler?? only $245... not sure if legit though...

https://cars245.co.uk/item/audi-volkswagen-5G6253609DD-rear-silencer/

 

[breaking badly]

need to be clear: So the clubsport 'S' model comes with a different muffler from the clubsport, which would be more desireable, however even the regular clubsport muffler does differ/is louder/better sounding than the GTI/PP muffler?

yes & yes

CS exhaust is mildly louder than GTI, CSS is even a tad louder and deeper than CS.

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[scrapin240]

Does anyone know the alignment specs of the CSS?

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[breaking badly]

I will provide them later tonight. Don't expect something too exotic.
Basically a tad more front camber (due to the swivels), that's it.
Alignment is no black magic, just physics, whether you have a Porsche
or a Golf. Did I mention the resonsible project engineer for the CSS is a
former Porsche engineer, who did the 997 II GT3 RS?

 

[scrapin240]

I will provide them later tonight. Don't expect something too exotic.
Basically a tad more front camber (due to the swivels), that's it.
Alignment is no black magic, just physics, whether you have a Porsche
or a Golf. Did I mention the resonsible project engineer for the CSS is a
former Porsche engineer, who did the 997 II GT3 RS?

Thanks! Looking forward to seeing what they came up with, and that engineer seems to know what their doing!

 

[Dave10781]

No worries, I didn't get that any wrong at all.

Since I thing that front LCA main/rear bushing is one of the most inte-
resting and best value parts I wanted to share this little compilation:

Hope that Russian guy will forgive me for using his photo.

In hindsight, I probably would have just bought these bushings instead of the SuperPros.

 

[EB2429]

The bushings are from the TT mk3, a couple of Audi models and the RS3 2015. Using the genuine numbers, I have sourced some Febi Bilstein matched rear bushes and they should arrive after the holidays, so will take a couple of pics then..

Along with the CSS rear sway bar I have on back order at VW Germany, I think I will have a little more responsive car for B roads or track days, while happily able to drive to work or long haul to Spain without much NVH.

 

[breaking badly]

Does anyone know the alignment specs
of the CSS?

I will provide them later tonight. Don't expect something too exotic.
Basically a tad more front camber (due to the swivels), that's it.

factory alignment spec CSS:

front

camber: -2°00'
toe: 0°00' (while the SportAuto CSS test vehicle had +0°06' toe in)

rear

camber: -2°15'
toe in: +0°20' (SportAuto CSS test vehicle had +0°16')

This is still on the safer side as it needs to be on a car delivered to
customers of unknown driving skills. Personally I prefer the test car
values little over the factory spec, but all these values are superior
to common standard GTI values anyway.
Next point, these CSS swivels seem to provide a significant benefit,
since the CSS comes already with about two degrees of camber on
front without being any lower.



On a side note: The standard Clubsport values are the same as on
any GTI and GTI PP with a toe in of +0°10' and +0°16' respectively
and camber of -0°44' front and -1°45' rear. Bear in mind that one
degree (1°) is sixty minutes (60'), not 100'.

 

[scrapin240]

factory alignment spec CSS:

front

camber: -2°00'
toe: 0°00' (while the SportAuto CSS test vehicle had +0°06' toe in)

rear

camber: -2°15'
toe in: +0°20' (SportAuto CSS test vehicle had +0°16')

This is still on the safer side as it needs to be on a car delivered to
customers of unknown driving skills. Personally I prefer the test car
values little over the factory spec, but all these values are superior
to common standard GTI values anyway.
Next point, these CSS swivels seem to provide a significant benefit,
since the CSS comes already with about two degrees of camber on
front without being any lower.



On a side note: The standard Clubsport values are the same as on
any GTI and GTI PP with a toe in of +0°10' and +0°16' respectively
and camber of -0°44' front and -1°45' rear. Bear in mind that one
degree (1°) is sixty minutes (60'), not 100'.

Wow..That is major camber vs the regular GTI, maybe I should order those camber plates now.

Thanks for the info!!

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[CLOUT]

Wow, great info. Thanks breaking badly

 

[breaking badly]

Wow..That is major camber vs the regular GTI, maybe I should order those camber plates now.

Just to be clear, this CSS makes his front camber by using proprietary
swivels = hubs = wheel carriers, which are machined in a different angle.

That does a similar job as camber plates or longer control arms do, but
by retaining more or less the wheel position, while it's pushed outwards
by longer LCAs and pushed inwards by using camber plates. Don't forget
most camber plates increase NVH.

 

[Swoope]

Just to be clear, this CSS makes his front camber by using proprietary
swivels = hubs = wheel carriers, which are machined in a different angle.

That does a similar job as camber plates or longer control arms do, but
by retaining more or less the wheel position, while it's pushed outwards
by longer LCAs and pushed inwards by using camber plates. Don't forget
most camber plates increase NVH.

good info!

beers

 

[breaking badly]

Which part numbers are the CSS engine and gearbox mounts?

 

[EB2429]

Which part numbers are the CSS engine and gearbox mounts?

gearbox 5Q0199555T
dogbone 5Q0198037C
engine 5Q0199262DG