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2017 R 6MT Slow Clutch Hydraulics

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HottubChampion

New member
Location
MURICA
Anybody notice their clutch is slow to engage? When quickly rowing through gears I release the clutch quickly but it does not engage following the motion of my foot which makes each gear change buck a little. I test drove a 2016 with only 5k miles before purchasing my 2017 and it was the same. I've driven many manual vehicles from an F750 to a turbo Cobalt SS and everything in between and have never felt as slow of an engagement as this. Closest was my 2000 Camaro Z28 which had a value built into the clutch master cylinder line that was there to make for a smoother engagement but most people drilled this valve out to allow for better clutch feel.
 
PLF8593

PLF8593

Drag Race Newbie
Location
Philly
Car(s)
19 Alltrack 6MT
HottubChampion said:
Thank's for the info. Didn't know this was an issue across the board for newer cars.
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Think about it from a manufacturer's perspective. People don't know how to drive stick anymore, and even among those who own a manual car, tons of them barely even know how to do it properly. They build all these nannies in to prevent long term damage due to improper clutch actuation. The funny thing is, that "delayed engagement" caused by the delay valve restriction inherently builds slip into every single engagement.
 
HOT H2O

HOT H2O

Drag Race Newbie
Location
Canada
SomeDude said:
Minimize driveline shock load is my guess.
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HottubChampion said:
Thank's for the info. Didn't know this was an issue across the board for newer cars.
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sadly it is, because..

GolfWang said:
Think about it from a manufacturer's perspective. People don't know how to drive stick anymore, and even among those who own a manual car, tons of them barely even know how to do it properly. They build all these nannies in to prevent long term damage due to improper clutch actuation. The funny thing is, that "delayed engagement" caused by the delay valve restriction inherently builds slip into every single engagement.
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This CDV make bad drivers appear better, and good drivers appear worse..
 
KevinC

KevinC

Autocross Champion
Location
The land of Wyatt Earp & Doc Holliday
Car(s)
'19 Golf R, '21 M2c
Urlik said:
Even BMW throws clutch delays in their manual tranny cars these days.
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BMW has been doing this for a long time - my E46 even has one. I removed it from my E86 Z4M Coupe when I still had it, but it made virtually zero noticeable difference, despite raves from people who had done it.
 
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NCM

Ready to race!
Location
Fort Wayne, IN, USA
Car(s)
2015 Golf R
KevinC said:
BMW has been doing this for a long time - my E46 even has one.
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Even the E36 had one from about the 97 MY onward. Seems to be a German car thing designed to reduce driveline shock from aggressive clutch dumping by the driver. We "all" get rid of these clutch delay valves.

Neil
 
mk7matteo

mk7matteo

Drag Race Newbie
Location
Santa Clarita, SoCal
I'm still somewhat new to manuals as I've only had the car since July. Would the spring removal be recommended even for a newby? The clutch does feel really vague at times
 
BlueHen

BlueHen

Drag Race Newbie
Location
Delmarva
mk7matteo said:
I'm still somewhat new to manuals as I've only had the car since July. Would the spring removal be recommended even for a newby? The clutch does feel really vague at times
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If you're not grinding any gears now, there's no reason you'd be grinding any gears with the spring removal. Your pedal will simply be a little more firm. I'd recommend the bleeder delay removal in conjunction; otherwise you'll just have a firmer pedal that still hangs revs slightly due to the bleeder delay diaphragm.
 
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