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Old 01-24-2018, 06:44 PM   #18
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I have a JB4 CS with BullX race cat and filter. Had the same parts in my previous R estate. Im probably selling my CS now. And I miss the R badly. Hate fwd in wet and cant stand it in snow. The car is lighter and more agile. Faster while over 80kmh. But I still miss my r. I love the CS seats, wifey hates them.... Eventually the tuning parts are for sale.

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Old 01-24-2018, 08:41 PM   #19
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It all depends on what ya wanna do. The R is the R, the gti is a golf. They are two completely different driving experiences imo. However, there are few street cars under 50k that could walk a stage two gutted gti from a 40 roll. They beat Rs all the time, tuned or not. The power to weight is just excellent and much cheaper to buy and mod. Imho, the R is just too unrationally priced new. For what you pay, they come dangerously close to BMW I platforms that give a lot more...

If I had the choice. I would still go with the gti. Due to the weight, power delivery of a strong is20, the fwtq and the manual gearing is just pure gold from a roll. My two cents
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Old 01-24-2018, 08:51 PM   #20
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It all depends on what ya wanna do. The R is the R, the gti is a golf. They are two completely different driving experiences imo. However, there are few street cars under 50k that could walk a stage two gutted gti from a 40 roll. They beat Rs all the time, tuned or not. The power to weight is just excellent and much cheaper to buy and mod. Imho, the R is just too unrationally priced new. For what you pay, they come dangerously close to BMW I platforms that give a lot more...

If I had the choice. I would still go with the gti. Due to the weight, power delivery of a strong is20, the fwtq and the manual gearing is just pure gold from a roll. My two cents
HUH? both the R and GTI are based on the golf.
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Old 01-24-2018, 11:23 PM   #21
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It all depends on what ya wanna do. The R is the R, the gti is a golf. They are two completely different driving experiences imo. However, there are few street cars under 50k that could walk a stage two gutted gti from a 40 roll. They beat Rs all the time, tuned or not. The power to weight is just excellent and much cheaper to buy and mod. Imho, the R is just too unrationally priced new. For what you pay, they come dangerously close to BMW I platforms that give a lot more...

If I had the choice. I would still go with the gti. Due to the weight, power delivery of a strong is20, the fwtq and the manual gearing is just pure gold from a roll. My two cents
and that walk from 40 roll argument again. Fuck that. I talk about real life experience now. A R is faster in general terms. and much more usefull. as I said, had / have them both.
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Old 01-24-2018, 11:34 PM   #22
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the R is just too unrationally priced new. For what you pay, they come dangerously close to BMW I platforms that give a lot more...
unfortunately not true. going price for the R is around $37k-$38k before TTL with all the features. BMW has NO vehicle with that price range (not even close) with the similar features. you might get bare bone no option rwd bmws for the R price range
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Old 01-25-2018, 05:04 AM   #23
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It's within range honestly...anyone with almost 40 can stretch it. 40 for a dsg R new. Leather only is the problem for me. I'd give up the weight savings for dcc/extra horse if I didn't haveto go leather. Saw a gti in the auto show when I was 15. Plaid seats. Was always a must have for me.

Love the Tt Don't get me wrong, saw someone mention. Just when comparing all four the only downside is the lack of practicality. Interior is nicer but no center screen is bad for passenger entertainment. Also falls in the practicality section.

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Old 02-13-2018, 06:22 AM   #24
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It all depends on what ya wanna do. The R is the R, the gti is a golf. They are two completely different driving experiences imo. However, there are few street cars under 50k that could walk a stage two gutted gti from a 40 roll. They beat Rs all the time, tuned or not. The power to weight is just excellent and much cheaper to buy and mod. Imho, the R is just too unrationally priced new. For what you pay, they come dangerously close to BMW I platforms that give a lot more...

If I had the choice. I would still go with the gti. Due to the weight, power delivery of a strong is20, the fwtq and the manual gearing is just pure gold from a roll. My two cents


When you factor in depreciation the R is a better deal than the gti since resale is much stronger for the R. Gti will cost more to own in the long run because of it.

No new bmw comes close to the r in the in the high 30s low 40s. A 240i w awd starts at 47 with no options.


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Old 02-13-2018, 12:33 PM   #25
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When you factor in depreciation the R is a better deal than the GTI since resale is much stronger for the R. GTI will cost more to own in the long run because of it. . . .
You are correct, but this thread began as a discussion of the Clubsport vs. an R. The Clubsport, as you probably know, is a unique Volkswagen and the Clubsport S version is so rare as to be almost an illusion. Thus, these two models now command a premium (assuming you can find one for sale), thus, with a modicum of care & upkeep I'm sure they will become depreciation-free over time. The "S", IMHO, will only appreciate over time. Rs, on the other hand, desirable as they may be, are sold by the thousands, and as you stated, they will continue to depreciate over time.

(Note bene: I said previously that I'd certainly buy a Clubsport if one were available in the United States. I lied. I'd buy at least two, one red, one white. My only qualifier is they have to be "real" GTIs -- i.e., two-door cars. Come on, VOA -- take my $ !)

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Old 02-13-2018, 04:58 PM   #26
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You are correct, but this thread began as a discussion of the Clubsport vs. an R. The Clubsport, as you probably know, is a unique Volkswagen and the Clubsport S version is so rare as to be almost an illusion. Thus, these two models now command a premium (assuming you can find one for sale), thus, with a modicum of care & upkeep I'm sure they will become depreciation-free over time. The "S", IMHO, will only appreciate over time. Rs, on the other hand, desirable as they may be, are sold by the thousands, and as you stated, they will continue to depreciate over time.

(Note bene: I said previously that I'd certainly buy a Clubsport if one were available in the United States. I lied. I'd buy at least two, one red, one white. My only qualifier is they have to be "real" GTIs -- i.e., two-door cars. Come on, VOA -- take my $ !)


Yup, but twist wasn’t talking about clubsports in his price comparison. the price difference new between the r and the clubsport seems to be negligible.


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Old 02-13-2018, 10:33 PM   #27
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Yes, and I think we are on the same page. He, too, would prefer the Clubsport given the choice.

Actually, I believe the that Volkswagen made the correct choice in manufacturing so few of these cars. It's one of the things that makes them so desirable.
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