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Old 05-09-2018, 06:36 PM   #69
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Personally, I’m most interested in how these 3rd party warranties will handle powertrain claims.

If Fidelity doesn’t know what a td1 is then I’m ditching the JB4 and going to Cobb.
Fidelity wouldn't know almost 100% of the time. 90% of claims are done over the phone and they take our word for it. Only expensive items like turbo or engine issue's would trigger an inspection of from Fidelity where they would send somebody out who has more expertise to "verify our findings"

If your car is obviously modded out to the tits, you're boned if they send an inspector. If you switch things to stock more than likely you'll be fine.
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Old 05-09-2018, 07:07 PM   #70
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You only hear about the ones that did go boom. Not the other 100 people that had no issue for that 1 person that did.

The MK7 turbos past 2015 very are reliable, but of course there can be defects that only rear their head after a tune.


To be honest... compared to WRXs/STIs itís no comparisons the issues with turbos... even look at the IS38s almost nearly the same rate of failures...we all know about ďRinglandĒ on the EJ motor but thatís a different story. Id rather have a motor blow before the turbo if itís a conservative tune...


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Old 05-09-2018, 07:46 PM   #71
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To be honest... compared to WRXs/STIs it’s no comparisons the issues with turbos... even look at the IS38s almost nearly the same rate of failures...we all know about “Ringland” on the EJ motor but that’s a different story. Id rather have a motor blow before the turbo if it’s a conservative tune...


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You would rather have an engine blow than a turbo.....? That makes all your other posts make sense now.... LOL. Parts break, get used to it.
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Old 05-09-2018, 08:33 PM   #72
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You only hear about the ones that did go boom. Not the other 100 people that had no issue for that 1 person that did.

The MK7 turbos past 2015 very are reliable, but of course there can be defects that only rear their head after a tune.
Im tye grand scheme of gti/r owners, the (very small )percentage that are on forums, and how prevalent this problem has been, it's absolutely stastically significant when you see reported failures in such a small sample.

I agree random parts fail, but by all accounts this is the same failure in the same part.

And i would further agree the motor should be failing long before the turbo. Turbo goes and smokes the motor along with it, you never want upstream parts to scrap big money assemblies.

In the grand scheme of turbocharged vehicles these types of failures are very uncommon. It's clearly a case where the turbo shaft is of poor quality and/or a flawed design. Turbo seals and bearings wear, but to keep destroying shafts and sending junk through the motor is highly unusual.

Ive had lots of vehicles with turbos, some (like my diesel truck) run comparatively insane pressures for extended run times and they run hundreds of thousands of miles without a hint of a problem.

It's a great little car but there is a major weakness in the turbo. To deny that is either ignorance or brand blindness.

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Old 05-09-2018, 08:35 PM   #73
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Im tye grand scheme of gti/r owners, the (very small )percentage that are on forums, and how prevalent this problem has been, it's absolutely stastically significant when you see reported failures in such a small sample.

I agree random parts fail, but by all accounts this is the same failure in the same part.

And i would further agree the motor should be failing long before the turbo. Turbo goes and smokes the motor along with it, you never want upstream parts to scrap big money assemblies.

In the grand scheme of turbocharged vehicles these types of failures are very uncommon. It's clearly a case where the turbo shaft is of poor quality and/or a flawed design. Turbo seals and bearings wear, but to keep destroying shafts and sending junk through the motor is highly unusual.

Ive had lots of vehicles with turbos, some (like my diesel truck) run comparatively insane pressures for extended run times and they run hundreds of thousands of miles without a hint of a problem.

It's a great little car but there is a major weakness in the turbo. To deny that is either ignorance or brand blindness.

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Took the words right out of my mouth! that's exactly my point.
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Old 05-09-2018, 09:08 PM   #74
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Im tye grand scheme of gti/r owners, the (very small )percentage that are on forums, and how prevalent this problem has been, it's absolutely stastically significant when you see reported failures in such a small sample.

I agree random parts fail, but by all accounts this is the same failure in the same part.

And i would further agree the motor should be failing long before the turbo. Turbo goes and smokes the motor along with it, you never want upstream parts to scrap big money assemblies.

In the grand scheme of turbocharged vehicles these types of failures are very uncommon. It's clearly a case where the turbo shaft is of poor quality and/or a flawed design. Turbo seals and bearings wear, but to keep destroying shafts and sending junk through the motor is highly unusual.

Ive had lots of vehicles with turbos, some (like my diesel truck) run comparatively insane pressures for extended run times and they run hundreds of thousands of miles without a hint of a problem.

It's a great little car but there is a major weakness in the turbo. To deny that is either ignorance or brand blindness.

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How can you say that when there have been very few turbo failures? it happens in every car/truck no matter the brand. And remember, we are talking tuned engines only, stock these are nearly bulletproof. You cant sit there and complain when a tuned engines turbo goes.... it wasn't built for that.

If this were a serious issue, you'd be seeing a LOT more post about turbo failure (when tuned) than you do now.

I asked my APR dealer if they had ever had a GTI in for a blown turbo as a result of the APR tune and he said never. I definitely wouldn't go with some hole in the wall place type of tune on these cars. Only businesses like APR that have LOTS of experience with these engines.
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Old 05-09-2018, 09:24 PM   #75
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How can you say that when there have been very few turbo failures? it happens in every car/truck no matter the brand. And remember, we are talking tuned engines only, stock these are nearly bulletproof. You cant sit there and complain when a tuned engines turbo goes.... it wasn't built for that.

If this were a serious issue, you'd be seeing a LOT more post about turbo failure (when tuned) than you do now.

I asked my APR dealer if they had ever had a GTI in for a blown turbo as a result of the APR tune and he said never. I definitely wouldn't go with some hole in the wall place type of tune on these cars. Only businesses like APR that have LOTS of experience with these engines.
I'd say it's pretty much 50/50... in regards to tuned or not. The people who have gone APR and blown their turbos have had their warranty work denied. There's enough complaints which is why this thread exists. I've had several cars.. my last 4-5 being turbo and not one of them has ever had an issue. Could be my luck.. but the fact we have some people with blown turbos/motors regardless of what tune it is or isn't the numbers are pretty high...
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Old 05-09-2018, 09:27 PM   #76
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Maybe it's just me, but I've seen/watched 1000's of turbo's fail without destroying the motor. The intercooler and cat normally take damage and yes, in some occasions the turbo can take out the motor but that is rare. It is possible that the "major weakness" in the IS20 causes it to take out the engine versus the bits simply getting stuck in the intercooler, which would definitely be shitty.

Can anyone actually post stats that compare failures of the IS20 to other turbos? Or is it all just word of mouth? What about the exact number of IS20's that have blown since people keep saying it's a lot? Lots of GTI's in my area and my dealer has yet to deal with a blown turbo. I've read about more ringland failures on EJ25's then I have IS20's blowing up.
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Old 05-09-2018, 09:33 PM   #77
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Maybe it's just me, but I've seen/watched 1000's of turbo's fail without destroying the motor. The intercooler and cat normally take damage and yes, in some occasions the turbo can take out the motor but that is rare. It is possible that the "major weakness" in the IS20 causes it to take out the engine versus the bits simply getting stuck in the intercooler, which would definitely be shitty.

Can anyone actually post stats that compare failures of the IS20 to other turbos? Or is it all just word of mouth? Lots of GTI's in my area and my dealer has yet to deal with a blown turbo.
There should be another thread tracking all of this...

To put an idea or thought out there, VW delivered 500K cars in America in 2016... if and IF the failure rate of a turbo/engine were to happen to 5000 of those cars that would be 1%. Now if you divide the 500k by 5K you get 100, so for every 100 cars that were delivered there could have been a blown turbo/engine waiting to happen. This is a pretty significant number when you start to analyze it more. Now is this true, likely not but if we knew the real number that would prove what we are debating. I'm not sure what is the standard deviation for a recall or known engineering issue with a product.
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Old 05-09-2018, 09:39 PM   #78
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There should be another thread tracking all of this...

To put an idea or thought out there, VW delivered 500K cars in America in 2016... if and IF the failure rate of a turbo/engine were to happen to 5000 of those cars that would be 1%. Now if you divide the 500k by 5K you get 100, so for every 100 cars that were delivered there could have been a blown turbo/engine waiting to happen. This is a pretty significant number when you start to analyze it more. Now is this true, likely not but if we knew the real number that would prove what we are debating. I'm not sure what is the standard deviation for a recall or known engineering issue with a product.
There is a thread, but this is just one forum and is a low percentage of MK7 GTI drivers. Of that low percentage, only a handful (or two or three to be fair) have reported blown turbos. There are just over 30k registered members on this forum. Not all of them have GTI's though (R drivers, GSW drivers, Golf drivers, some sold, some just checking out the scene, and vendors). Looks like 82,523 MK7 GTI's have been sold in NA since 2015 (so it won't include MY2015 sold in 2014). Having issues putting together worldwide sale numbers since we have people from all over on the forum.

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