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adrian_hij_

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Location
Orange County
My GTI is DSG, but my project car is a 1998 Subaru Impreza thats manual. Accelerating onto the freeway, I once shifted from 4th accidentally into 3rd when I tried to go into 5th. Luckily, I didn't pull up the clutch all the way so nothing happened, but money shifting can mess up your car big time.
 

lucyfek

Ready to race!
Location
IL USA
Car(s)
GTI & GSW
What's the point of shifting pass redline in a car with turbo (and full torque at 2k rpm)? Is it only to increase odds of pricey mistakes? Or to wear the engine more than necessary?
 

Hoon

Autocross Champion
Location
Rhode Island
All of your shifts are perfect? You've never missed one? I know I've missed my fair share of shifts and I'm very familiar with manual transmissions. Dude made a mistake, happens to the best of us.

Of course I've missed shifts. We all have.

Forget the damn money shift, the guy just doesn't have seat time / skill with a stick.

If he was a driver and made a mistake, I wouldn't say shit about it.

High 12s - mid 13s in an AWD car that traps 120+ is sad and indicative of a weak 60' and slow shifts.

The last time I went mid 13s in a fast AWD it was because I had torn 3 pucks off the 6 puck clutch and I couldn't get the clutch to disengage.

Cut a 1.7 60ft with literally half a clutch disc and had to wait about a full second between shifts. ...then I had to drive it 80 miles home with half the friction material hanging out of the bell housing.

Good times.


What's the point of shifting pass redline in a car with turbo (and full torque at 2k rpm)? Is it only to increase odds of pricey mistakes? Or to wear the engine more than necessary?

Horsepower is all that matters during full throttle acceleration.

Peak HP of most IS20 cars is about 5200- 5500. You want to shift past peak so you don't come into the next gear too low. You need to maximize average HP.

I can't speak to the manuals, but the DSG has long shift extensions. Shifting 3-4 at 6700 drops the revs to about 4800 at the start of 4th gear.

At 6700 I'm making 15whp less than peak. At 4800 it's also about 15whp less than peak...so my stock turbo car goes fastest shifted at 6500-6700.

This is track proven and supported by the Dyno.

APR cars which have more boost and more mid range tq probably go faster when shifted a bit lower.

This is DSG, I don't have any real seat time with the manual MK7s but I believe the ratios are closer, which will change the optimal shift points.

That said, the Golf R has a higher HP peak with the IS38, so it needs to be shifted at the limiter regardless of the trans.
 

dwvw

Go Kart Newbie
High 12s - mid 13s in an AWD car that traps 120+ is sad and indicative of a weak 60' and slow shifts.
These cars don't trap that high on average, around 114-116 usually stage 2.






That said, the Golf R has a higher HP peak with the IS38, so it needs to be shifted at the limiter regardless of the trans.

My stage 2 Golf R gets the fastest ET shifted at 6500 RPM, not 7200.
 

Hoon

Autocross Champion
Location
Rhode Island
These cars don't trap that high on average, around 114-116 usually stage 2.


My stage 2 Golf R gets the fastest ET shifted at 6500 RPM, not 7200.

The car in the video trapped 120.

I didn't know they were spinning the Rs to 7200.

Most of the GTI tunes are 6700-6800, I assumed the R was the same.

Where have you seen your best trap speeds?
 

wy2sl0

Drag Race Newbie
Location
Ontario
That Golf R in the video is big turbo. I think it might be an Iroz kit, can't remember.

The IS20 is dead by 53-5500. IS38 ~6k.

With over 50 passes on the IS38, fastest traps were shifting at 5800-6k rpm.
 

bigred1

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Missouri
The IS20 is dead by 53-5500. IS38 ~6k.

With over 50 passes on the IS38, fastest traps were shifting at 5800-6k rpm.

Smart mk7 person. ^^^

If people would shift their is20 around 5000-5300 rpm they would go much faster. Look at the torque curve. More torque versus hp anyway. Shifting @ 6000 plus is just more heat, rpm, less hp/tq.
 

dwvw

Go Kart Newbie
The car in the video trapped 120.

I didn't know they were spinning the Rs to 7200.

Most of the GTI tunes are 6700-6800, I assumed the R was the same.

Where have you seen your best trap speeds?

I don't think the car in the video is still IS38. With the ECU and TCU tunes most R's are shifting at 7200 if left in auto mode. The local track is usually 3500-4000 DA. My best time so far is 11.95 @ 115. I short shift 1-2 at about 6000 rpm then 2-3,3-4, and 4-5 at 6500 for the best times. If I leave it to auto shift at 7200 I lose about 0.2 tenths on average. I have just over 90 passes at this track on the R and it's consistent.
 

Mels15GTI

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Location
Northwest
My mk7 is the first stick I’ve ever money shifted, I’ve been driving manual for 19 years. I got lucky and the only bad was an over rev code. It was a 3/2 shift going for 4. I think it was a 7500 over rev.
 

mk7rip

Go Kart Newbie
Location
socal
Car(s)
mk7
Smart mk7 person. ^^^

If people would shift their is20 around 5000-5300 rpm they would go much faster. Look at the torque curve. More torque versus hp anyway. Shifting @ 6000 plus is just more heat, rpm, less hp/tq.

5500-5800 rpm is the sweet spot for is20 cars. Leaves you around 4000 in the next gear, any lower is too low.
 

GTI Jake

Autocross Champion
Location
Charlotte, NC
That sucks. I agree even if he hadn't money shifted the R driver wasn't driving the car well at all. With his trap speed he should have easily ran 11s, not 13.5 and a 12.
 

Zx2man

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Location
Vancouver, Wa
The guy who uses ED maestro and traps 117-119 on his weight reduced is20 gti, I could swear he said he shifts around 6300-6500.

I feel when im in Mexico my car moves faster when i shift around 6200-6300.
But I havnt taken my gti to a 1/4 mi track. Guess ill try 5800.
 

mk7rip

Go Kart Newbie
Location
socal
Car(s)
mk7
The guy who uses ED maestro and traps 117-119 on his weight reduced is20 gti, I could swear he said he shifts around 6300-6500.

I feel when im in Mexico my car moves faster when i shift around 6200-6300.
But I havnt taken my gti to a 1/4 mi track. Guess ill try 5800.

My is20 car trapped 118mph shifting at 5800.
 

wy2sl0

Drag Race Newbie
Location
Ontario
The guy who uses ED maestro and traps 117-119 on his weight reduced is20 gti, I could swear he said he shifts around 6300-6500.

I feel when im in Mexico my car moves faster when i shift around 6200-6300.
But I havnt taken my gti to a 1/4 mi track. Guess ill try 5800.

That's a huge negative. He shifts at 5600-5800 just like Ian said above, and all the other fast people (like myself) do :D
 
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