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Old 04-17-2019, 01:23 AM   #1
Uffda
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APR Stage III+ with EFR7163 safe to run anymore?

I have a 2016 MK7 Golf R (DSG)

I'm buying an APR Stage III+ Turbo kit with the recommended fuel rail and injectors. I have seen quite a few folks either:

a) Blow up there Transmissions
or
b) Blow up there engines
or
c) Both.

It's my understanding that the factory APR Stage III+ ECU tune is not advised for the Golf R MKVII and they may be rolling out soon a hybrid IS38. So how can they still sell them if they are not stable?

Do I need to put in an aftermarket DSG clutch?
Can I safely run this with out completely rebuilding my engine?

One option may be I take my EFR7163 and send it off to someone like United Motorsports and have them replace the vacuum waste gate and replace it with an electronic solenoid like the factory IS38 which would allow me to use an alternate ECU tune. Like United Motorsports offers.

Has anyone either

1) Ran a Stage III+ with the APR ECU tune and stock DSG with TCU and not blown the clutch or engine?

or

2) Successfully modified there APR EFR7163 with an electronic solenoid and put another ECU tune on the car and run it successfully?

GREATLY APPRECIATED!
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Old 04-17-2019, 01:37 AM   #2
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I have a 2016 MK7 Golf R (DSG)

I'm buying an APR Stage III+ Turbo kit with the recommended fuel rail and injectors. I have seen quite a few folks either:

a) Blow up there Transmissions
or
b) Blow up there engines
or
c) Both.

It's my understanding that the factory APR Stage III+ ECU tune is not advised for the Golf R MKVII and they may be rolling out soon a hybrid IS38. So how can they still sell them if they are not stable?

Do I need to put in an aftermarket DSG clutch?
Can I safely run this with out completely rebuilding my engine?

One option may be I take my EFR7163 and send it off to someone like United Motorsports and have them replace the vacuum waste gate and replace it with an electronic solenoid like the factory IS38 which would allow me to use an alternate ECU tune. Like United Motorsports offers.

Has anyone either

1) Ran a Stage III+ with the APR ECU tune and stock DSG with TCU and not blown the clutch or engine?

or

2) Successfully modified there APR EFR7163 with an electronic solenoid and put another ECU tune on the car and run it successfully?

GREATLY APPRECIATED!
I run the EFR7163 UM tuned with the Electronic wastegate and it has been great the car is making 500whp on stock motor when on Kill. If you have any questions feel free to PM me.

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Old 04-17-2019, 03:24 AM   #3
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Sounds awesome!
I'm curious about your setup.
Clutch, Engine Rebuild status....Awesome!
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Old 04-17-2019, 03:40 AM   #4
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Sounds awesome!
I'm curious about your setup.
Clutch, Engine Rebuild status....Awesome!
Replied to your message.

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Old 04-17-2019, 04:22 AM   #5
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The wastegate is what causes the problems with the APR kit. The best setup is to run the APR hardware but go with UM tune's and swap the hybrid wastegate back to the OEM one and that eliminates all the problems with the kit.

You can run it but its a ticking timebomb without a built engine.
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Old 04-17-2019, 04:53 AM   #6
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I was choosing between APR EFR7163 and TTE535R... and I went TTE535R
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Old 04-18-2019, 01:51 PM   #7
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The wastegate is what causes the problems with the APR kit. The best setup is to run the APR hardware but go with UM tune's and swap the hybrid wastegate back to the OEM one and that eliminates all the problems with the kit.

You can run it but its a ticking timebomb without a built engine.


Itís the other way around. The APR wastegate is the wastegate that is designed to run on an EFR.

The electronic one canít hold boost over 30psi without re welding the wastegate arm.

There is no issue with the APR kit other than you might blow it up due to the stress on the engine.

Local guy ran 10.80s with no issue for over a year, prob a 100 passes.


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Old 04-18-2019, 01:53 PM   #8
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Itís the other way around. The APR wastegate is the wastegate that is designed to run on an EFR.

The electronic one canít hold boost over 30psi without re welding the wastegate arm.

There is no issue with the APR kit other than you might blow it up due to the stress on the engine.

Local guy ran 10.80s with no issue for over a year, prob a 100 passes.


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It's a documented issue with that wastegate. It's been proven time and time again the OEM works better.
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Old 04-18-2019, 03:22 PM   #9
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Itís the other way around. The APR wastegate is the wastegate that is designed to run on an EFR.

The electronic one canít hold boost over 30psi without re welding the wastegate arm.

There is no issue with the APR kit other than you might blow it up due to the stress on the engine.

Local guy ran 10.80s with no issue for over a year, prob a 100 passes.


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