It's like diamonds, sort of, then! But the cost of oil is not just importation, it's environmental, and it's undeniable that petrochemical extraction and refining exacts a toll on the ecosystem. Now, so does everything else, of course, but there are degrees of impact. Oil is kind of nasty in a lot of ways, from the drilling and refining process, to the transportation system, to the disposal of used lubricants, etc. I'm sure there are downsides to every form of energy, but as much as I love my ICE cars, I can't deny that gasoline comes at a real price. If you've ever lived in an area around refineries, eeew.
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It's like diamonds, sort of, then! But the cost of oil is not just importation, it's environmental, and it's undeniable that petrochemical extraction and refining exacts a toll on the ecosystem. Now, so does everything else, of course, but there are degrees of impact. Oil is kind of nasty in a lot of ways, from the drilling and refining process, to the transportation system, to the disposal of used lubricants, etc. I'm sure there are downsides to every form of energy, but as much as I love my ICE cars, I can't deny that gasoline comes at a real price. If you've ever lived in an area around refineries, eeew.
JC_451
Autocross Champion
- Location
- NJ, one of the nice parts.
- Car(s)
- 2017 GTI Sport
Tar sands and transcontinental pipelines is how the US became energy self sufficient.
Companies will spend 99 cents to get $1 out of the ground.
Cars have become very efficient, but never fool yourself into thinking that getting that energy out of the ground in the first place is some sort of no-impact event. You don't hear that much about this kind of stuff because it happens in really remote locations and only ever makes it on the news if they fuck something up.
Everyone remembers Deep Water Horizon right?
If you factor in the environmental degradation associated with the seeking of fossil fuel sources you'll find that gas is actually really cheap in the United States. In areas where they do weight the environmental impact you see prices double or triple that of the US.
Companies will spend 99 cents to get $1 out of the ground.
Cars have become very efficient, but never fool yourself into thinking that getting that energy out of the ground in the first place is some sort of no-impact event. You don't hear that much about this kind of stuff because it happens in really remote locations and only ever makes it on the news if they fuck something up.
Everyone remembers Deep Water Horizon right?
If you factor in the environmental degradation associated with the seeking of fossil fuel sources you'll find that gas is actually really cheap in the United States. In areas where they do weight the environmental impact you see prices double or triple that of the US.
I have no doubts there. I'm all for solar and wind, but we will still need nuclear or fossil as a backup, even if we blanket the country in solar cells and windmills farms. One good hurricane will wipe all a good amount of them. And you still need storage batteries. A Tesla Wall is $7,000 plus installation if you're not handy.
XM_Rocks
Autocross Newbie
- Location
- Austin, TX
We haven’t had blackouts in about 5 years.
Plus most electric cars charge when electricity is not in peak demand (3p-7p).
XM_Rocks
Autocross Newbie
- Location
- Austin, TX
Even the delivery stystem is horribly inefficient.