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Old 12-31-2017, 06:10 PM   #18
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All of your shifts are perfect? You've never missed one? I know I've missed my fair share of shifts and I'm very familiar with manual transmissions. Dude made a mistake, happens to the best of us.
Of course I've missed shifts. We all have.

Forget the damn money shift, the guy just doesn't have seat time / skill with a stick.

If he was a driver and made a mistake, I wouldn't say shit about it.

High 12s - mid 13s in an AWD car that traps 120+ is sad and indicative of a weak 60' and slow shifts.

The last time I went mid 13s in a fast AWD it was because I had torn 3 pucks off the 6 puck clutch and I couldn't get the clutch to disengage.

Cut a 1.7 60ft with literally half a clutch disc and had to wait about a full second between shifts. ...then I had to drive it 80 miles home with half the friction material hanging out of the bell housing.

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What's the point of shifting pass redline in a car with turbo (and full torque at 2k rpm)? Is it only to increase odds of pricey mistakes? Or to wear the engine more than necessary?
Horsepower is all that matters during full throttle acceleration.

Peak HP of most IS20 cars is about 5200- 5500. You want to shift past peak so you don't come into the next gear too low. You need to maximize average HP.

I can't speak to the manuals, but the DSG has long shift extensions. Shifting 3-4 at 6700 drops the revs to about 4800 at the start of 4th gear.

At 6700 I'm making 15whp less than peak. At 4800 it's also about 15whp less than peak...so my stock turbo car goes fastest shifted at 6500-6700.

This is track proven and supported by the Dyno.

APR cars which have more boost and more mid range tq probably go faster when shifted a bit lower.

This is DSG, I don't have any real seat time with the manual MK7s but I believe the ratios are closer, which will change the optimal shift points.

That said, the Golf R has a higher HP peak with the IS38, so it needs to be shifted at the limiter regardless of the trans.
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Old 12-31-2017, 07:08 PM   #19
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High 12s - mid 13s in an AWD car that traps 120+ is sad and indicative of a weak 60' and slow shifts.
These cars don't trap that high on average, around 114-116 usually stage 2.






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That said, the Golf R has a higher HP peak with the IS38, so it needs to be shifted at the limiter regardless of the trans.
My stage 2 Golf R gets the fastest ET shifted at 6500 RPM, not 7200.
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Old 12-31-2017, 07:38 PM   #20
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These cars don't trap that high on average, around 114-116 usually stage 2.


My stage 2 Golf R gets the fastest ET shifted at 6500 RPM, not 7200.
The car in the video trapped 120.

I didn't know they were spinning the Rs to 7200.

Most of the GTI tunes are 6700-6800, I assumed the R was the same.

Where have you seen your best trap speeds?
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Old 12-31-2017, 07:44 PM   #21
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That Golf R in the video is big turbo. I think it might be an Iroz kit, can't remember.

The IS20 is dead by 53-5500. IS38 ~6k.

With over 50 passes on the IS38, fastest traps were shifting at 5800-6k rpm.
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Old 01-01-2018, 12:21 AM   #22
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The IS20 is dead by 53-5500. IS38 ~6k.

With over 50 passes on the IS38, fastest traps were shifting at 5800-6k rpm.
Smart mk7 person. ^^^

If people would shift their is20 around 5000-5300 rpm they would go much faster. Look at the torque curve. More torque versus hp anyway. Shifting @ 6000 plus is just more heat, rpm, less hp/tq.
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Old 01-01-2018, 12:29 AM   #23
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The car in the video trapped 120.

I didn't know they were spinning the Rs to 7200.

Most of the GTI tunes are 6700-6800, I assumed the R was the same.

Where have you seen your best trap speeds?
I don't think the car in the video is still IS38. With the ECU and TCU tunes most R's are shifting at 7200 if left in auto mode. The local track is usually 3500-4000 DA. My best time so far is 11.95 @ 115. I short shift 1-2 at about 6000 rpm then 2-3,3-4, and 4-5 at 6500 for the best times. If I leave it to auto shift at 7200 I lose about 0.2 tenths on average. I have just over 90 passes at this track on the R and it's consistent.
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Old 01-01-2018, 12:56 AM   #24
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My mk7 is the first stick I’ve ever money shifted, I’ve been driving manual for 19 years. I got lucky and the only bad was an over rev code. It was a 3/2 shift going for 4. I think it was a 7500 over rev.
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Old 01-01-2018, 07:40 AM   #25
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Smart mk7 person. ^^^

If people would shift their is20 around 5000-5300 rpm they would go much faster. Look at the torque curve. More torque versus hp anyway. Shifting @ 6000 plus is just more heat, rpm, less hp/tq.
5500-5800 rpm is the sweet spot for is20 cars. Leaves you around 4000 in the next gear, any lower is too low.
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Old 01-01-2018, 07:57 AM   #26
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That sucks. I agree even if he hadn't money shifted the R driver wasn't driving the car well at all. With his trap speed he should have easily ran 11s, not 13.5 and a 12.
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Old 01-01-2018, 11:08 PM   #27
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The guy who uses ED maestro and traps 117-119 on his weight reduced is20 gti, I could swear he said he shifts around 6300-6500.

I feel when im in Mexico my car moves faster when i shift around 6200-6300.
But I havnt taken my gti to a 1/4 mi track. Guess ill try 5800.
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Old 01-02-2018, 12:36 AM   #28
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The guy who uses ED maestro and traps 117-119 on his weight reduced is20 gti, I could swear he said he shifts around 6300-6500.

I feel when im in Mexico my car moves faster when i shift around 6200-6300.
But I havnt taken my gti to a 1/4 mi track. Guess ill try 5800.
My is20 car trapped 118mph shifting at 5800.
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Old 01-02-2018, 03:52 AM   #29
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The guy who uses ED maestro and traps 117-119 on his weight reduced is20 gti, I could swear he said he shifts around 6300-6500.

I feel when im in Mexico my car moves faster when i shift around 6200-6300.
But I havnt taken my gti to a 1/4 mi track. Guess ill try 5800.
That's a huge negative. He shifts at 5600-5800 just like Ian said above, and all the other fast people (like myself) do
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NS-QddvL03s

Not saying you are incorrect. But look at his video on the 1/4 mi run.
Looks like his tach needle goes past 6k couple of times.
Or maybe im seeing things.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NS-QddvL03s

Not saying you are incorrect. But look at his video on the 1/4 mi run.
Looks like his tach needle goes past 6k couple of times.
Or maybe im seeing things.
That's just the first 2 short gears - no difference.

I spoke with him and if you notice on the night run he went 2mph faster. He shifted 3-4 well under 6k.
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Got to disagree with you kind sir. Hes shifting pass 6k on 3rd gear in that run. Not just first 2 gears. As for the night race he doesnt vid his tachometer, so i cant tell you when he shifted.

Heres another video-
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CHOenOI9rlM

On 3rd gear he goes past 6.

Im mot saying you are wrong that the money spot is 5600-5800.. All im saying is homeboy here is indeed shiftinb at or pass 6k
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Old 01-02-2018, 08:43 PM   #33
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That Golf R in the video is big turbo. I think it might be an Iroz kit, can't remember.
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Got to disagree with you kind sir. Hes shifting pass 6k on 3rd gear in that run. Not just first 2 gears. As for the night race he doesnt vid his tachometer, so i cant tell you when he shifted.

Heres another video-
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CHOenOI9rlM

On 3rd gear he goes past 6.

Im mot saying you are wrong that the money spot is 5600-5800.. All im saying is homeboy here is indeed shiftinb at or pass 6k
If it's big turbo I'd hope he is shifting well past 6k. I think this convo has gotten confusing in relation to the video shifting vs what people should be shifting depending on what turbo they have.
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I was just referencing towards a is20 fast trap guy who seems to be shifting at or past 6k on his runs. In regards to expert knowledge on proper shift points in the 1/4 mi, I have no arguement or disagreeing because I gave zero experience with a mk7 gti at a 1/4 mi track.
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