jimlloyd40
Autocross Champion
- Location
- Phoenix
- Car(s)
- 2018 SE DSG
Get a stage 2 tune and you'll be replacing the OEM clutch very early.
Have no idea why you said that in relation to what I said.
Get a stage 2 tune and you'll be replacing the OEM clutch very early.
Also lets not forget the STI exists...they tend to hold value as well.
disagree.
you compare parts for parts because it's the only proper way to do it. It may not sound "fair," but it really is. It's the same reason you don't try to compare modded vs stocked. It's ridiculous. All you do is jump into the rabbit hole of defining what is "the best version" before you eventually realize that you lost the game days ago. And in the end, all your data is shit and no one should trust it.
Yes, obviously the DSG will be way faster on a start and in a straight line, but I'm still not sure that matters in the end with a full track test. The CTR is a beast.
Have no idea why you said that in relation to what I said.
Sorry but that makes no sense. There is a big difference between testing two stock cars with the transmissions they come with from the factory than a stock vs modded car. Your "proper" way of doing it is running with a nerfed version of the Golf R which the manual essentially is if you want the best possible performance.
i think i may be one of the few here who will take a ctr over an golf r. Ive had 01 integra 5spd and 06 rsx type-s and loved the way honda fwd cars drive. It is addicting! Their gearboxes is unparalleled. The ctr builds builds on what makes the integra and rsx so fun, so i can imagine it being an amazing machine.
GTI is great and refined in its driving but lacks that thrill...
You can easily tune a GTI to CTR levels, but the clutch becomes a major weak point. Something to consider if comparing these two cars.
In a drag race, obviously it's more of an advantage (for the R) to test the DSG R against the only-available-as-manual CTR. But you're really just showing how much of an advantage the DSG is to every manual on any car today.
You're not really testing the cars at that point. Testing doesn't work that way. You either keep the same bottleneck on both platforms (manual transmission as bottleneck to acceleration), or give one test platform a major advantage by eliminating that one bottleneck, thus handicapping the other, and arbitrarily declaring it fair. It simply isn't a fair test.
Now, do I think it's more interesting to test the R DSG vs the CTR? sure....but you're further increasing the price gap between the two (if we just go by MSRP), which will probably only show the CTR to be an even better value, no?
shame the wrx still isn't available in HB. It would have been a closer call for me if the WRX was a HB.
I agree the civic is gaudy. I didn't think the civic had more room...
My friend got one of these in championship white. For 45k, I'm not impressed. My JB4 e30 GTI has no problem keeping up when hooning around in the canyons. When we do pulls on the freeway, we're dead even until ~115 MPH, and then he'll start pulling away and really pulling away when I hit the speed limiter . For *almost* twice the amount of money as my car, I'd expect him to blow the doors off my GTI. Golf R for sure
Well thanks for the explanation. I understand what you are getting at but I'll have to think about whether I now agree lol.
Yeah, I like the idea of testing best vs best and I think it has its own place, but it's a different kind of test.
Ideally, the CTR would have an auto to make a fair comparison (removes the driver component from shifting), but to really make it ideal, they'd both be a dual clutch--as I recall, Honda autos are still kinda shit, aren't they? Or maybe I'm wrong.