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Stock: MK7.5 GTI vs Hyundai Veloster N

What Will You Buy And Own For Next 5 Years?

  • Hyundai Veloster N (Performance Pack)

    Votes: 10 11.2%
  • Volkswagen Golf GTI (Autobahn)

    Votes: 79 88.8%

  • Total voters
    89

sectachrome

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Westminster, CO
I like that it exists but I personally wouldn't be interested. It's just not very good design wise in and out, and the boy racer bits they added for the N are cheesy. For the people like me who like the GTI because of its refinement and relatively restrained styling, I don't really think this is in the running. I like the i30N a lot more. It's way better looking.
 

cdubbgti911

Ready to race!
Location
Hoosier Daddy
Long story short:

GTI wins the poll on this forum

Veloster N wins the poll on the veloster forum

agreed was going to say this is probably going to be a bit biased on this forum lol.
 

geokilla

Go Kart Champion
Location
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Car(s)
2018 VW GTI DSG
Veloster N is pretty cheap in Canada right now. 1.99% financing for 84 months, and the car is fully loaded so it has all the goodies. Definitely makes it more attractive than the GTI, especially since it's 4.99% for 84 months for the GTI.
 

Cliff p.

Drag Racing Champion
Location
El Paso, TX
Car(s)
'17 Golf R DSG
Veloster N is pretty cheap in Canada right now. 1.99% financing for 84 months, and the car is fully loaded so it has all the goodies. Definitely makes it more attractive than the GTI, especially since it's 4.99% for 84 months for the GTI.


Good Lord man, 84 months?!!?! That's insane. I can't imagine having a car note for that long.
 

ctyke

New member
Location
Austin, TX
Thought this summed it up pretty well, considering all the other reviews I've read. GTI obviously the better overall package, but the Veloster is more fun. I would've given the i30N a hard look but I can't get past the Veloster styling personally. Seeing it compared to these cars really makes me want to the power in the GTI (but I have to do tires still).

And yeah, don't do an 84 month loan :)
 

GroceryGTIer

Drag Racing Champion
Location
Tri-state
Thought this summed it up pretty well, considering all the other reviews I've read. GTI obviously the better overall package, but the Veloster is more fun. I would've given the i30N a hard look but I can't get past the Veloster styling personally. Seeing it compared to these cars really makes me want to the power in the GTI (but I have to do tires still).

And yeah, don't do an 84 month loan :)

I only test drove 1 veloster, which was about 2 years ago, so I can’t comment if it’s any different, but this one was so incredibly small, I could never drive one.
 

ronlowenberg

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Iowa
Veloster N is pretty cheap in Canada right now. 1.99% financing for 84 months, and the car is fully loaded so it has all the goodies. Definitely makes it more attractive than the GTI, especially since it's 4.99% for 84 months for the GTI.

Good God. You would be upside down in that car until you had 2k to pay on that loan with the way Hyundai depreciate.
 

JC_451

Autocross Champion
Location
NJ, one of the nice parts.
Car(s)
2017 GTI Sport
84 month term [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

No offense bros but if you need 24 more payments to make the monthly number something appealing you're stretching your budget too thin.

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geokilla

Go Kart Champion
Location
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Car(s)
2018 VW GTI DSG
Good Lord man, 84 months?!!?! That's insane. I can't imagine having a car note for that long.

84 month term [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

No offense bros but if you need 24 more payments to make the monthly number something appealing you're stretching your budget too thin.

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Good God. You would be upside down in that car until you had 2k to pay on that loan with the way Hyundai depreciate.

It's an open loan. If you finance for 36 months it's 1.99% as well. Why wouldn't you take it for 84 months then and repay an excess amount above the monthly payments whenever you want?
 

JC_451

Autocross Champion
Location
NJ, one of the nice parts.
Car(s)
2017 GTI Sport
Interest rates should go down as the term of the loan decreases (not counting payday loans and the like)

The payments "potentially" outlasting your warranty isn't an insignificant consideration.

People who can pay off a new 30K car in 3 years aren't the same people that need a "flexible" loan that they can decide to pay off sooner or later(in reality all loans are like this unless stated otherwise). We all know it's gonna be later for 99% of people.
 

LS240

New member
Location
Fruita, CO
I see an awful lot of speculation from people in here that haven't actually driven a Veloster N. Well coming from someone that actually has driven one; it's not only better than a GTI, it's better than an R. I currently own a MK7 R and have owned a MK7 GTI, and the funny thing is the N I drove didn't even have the Performance Package and I'd still say it's a much better driver's car. I know I'm gonna get hate for this, but it's true. And really, it's not even close.

So before I get into what's better, we'll go over what's worse about the N. The interior, while nowhere near as bad as people are saying, isn't up to the quality standards of VW. The dash and door panels are all hard touch plastic, though it feels like decent quality stuff, and fits together much better than the crap you see in any Ford, for instance. There's no option for leather or Alcantara, just basic cloth. The back seat is actually big enough to sit in somewhat comfortable for me, and I'm 6' 205, but it is a bit tight getting back there with the one small rear passenger door, and the large C pillars make it feel pretty claustrophobic. No fold down arm rest either, or any other amenities. So not the best if you cart around other adults or bigger kids frequently.

There's also just nowhere near as much tech. No fancy adaptive lighting and the low beams are even incandescent, no adaptive cruise control, and no option for a dual clutch(yet). The infotainment at least is very good with bright, clear graphics and super quick response. If I'm being really nitpicky, the engine doesn't have quite as much energy up high in the rev range as an R, but again, I drove a non-PP car and it's my understanding that extra 25hp occurs more in the top half of the rev range, so this may be a moot point. It's still at least as good as a GTI, as is. The design, I'll leave up to the eye of the beholder. I actually really like the N a lot, but I also think MK7s are beautiful, so that's a positive for both cars and a tie in my book. The N is definitely much more aggressive which is good or bad, depending on your perspective.

So what is better about the N? Literally everything else, and especially everything that makes a car fun and engaging to drive. Just getting settled into the car it has a noticeably more sporty feel. It's much more compact inside, and the driving position and interior layout are more like a traditional sports car or sports coupe, as opposed to the more upright hatchback layout in the Golf. You sit lower in the car, and lower to the ground, with an interior that shrinks around you, with grippy seats that actually offer more support than those in the R. OK, so we're off to a good start here.

Start the car up and get moving, and there's a few impressions that immediately hit me, in this order; the sounds, the clutch and shifter, and the steering. Even at parking lot speeds the car just feels "right" in so many ways, and genuinely exciting.

First, that sound. It sounds better than any Golf MK7 I have ever heard, period. It's truly remarkable, and the one I drove didn't even have the dual mode exhaust! There is literally nothing you can do, short of a VR6 or I5 swap, no matter how much money you spend on exhaust, what combination of parts you use, etc. to get a MK7 to sound that good. The anti-lag pops on upshifts or on a lift of the throttle were enough to make me giggle like a child. And they have a much more natural feel than a pops and bangs tune, without going into the area of being obnoxious or excessive. And it also makes all these wonderful little burbles and rumbles when you let off the gas too. Roll up to a stop sign in 2nd or 3rd in one and you'll understand what I mean. It's like an old-school turbo car with a rich tune and hot exhaust after a hard run. The car sounds like it's alive, making much more organic sounds both under throttle and off than most 4 cylinders could ever muster. The closest thing out there is an Abarth, and those are nowhere near as vocal stock, if that gives you any idea.

Then there's the clutch and shifter, which just have a wonderful, natural feel to them, almost feeling old school in the best of ways. The clutch has none of that weird springy quality of a MK7 clutch, or so many other modern manual cars, so it's easy to find the bite point and modulate smoothly. The shifter strikes a great balance between being mechanical and notchy, while being precise and smooth at the same time. I feel like I could drive the car hard for hour after hour and never come close to missing a shift. I'd put it right up there with the best stock shifter feels in modern cars along with a BRZ. And, yes, that means it's a lot better than a MK7 shifter as well. The only mild downside is a bit of rev hang which requires patience when cruising around to get the smoothest upshifts. It's no worse than any other modern 4 cylinder turbo, though.

As for the steering, I'll start by saying I didn't realize my R had a dead zone on center until I drove the N and got back in my car. It's seriously impressive how precise the steering is, with what feels like effectively zero dead zone. There's solid weight and response from the steering immediately off-center, and yet there's no nervousness either. I could cruise down the highway without the constant small corrections necessary from many electric steering systems. That's a hell of a trick to pull off. Feedback isn't remarkable, like nearly all modern cars unfortunately, but there is actually some feedback to be had, and it's more than in a GTI or R. On a scale of 1-10, 1 being basically none, and 10 being a hyperactive old Miata with no power steering and sticky tires, I'd say it's about a 3 whereas an R is a 2. The small amount of torque steer that's present could be felt clearly through the wheel, and personally I actually love torque steer in a FWD car, so that's fantastic if you ask me.

The nose that steering is connected to is fantastic as well. The car turns in with almost telepathic precision. A bit like a FiST or FoST, but more natural in it's rate of response, rather than feeling unnaturally enhanced. I really can't emphasize enough how much better the N turns in than a GTI or R. Out of the box, it's easily sharper than my R with camber plates and RE71R track tires, so forget about comparing it to a stock MK7. The balance is much more neutral as well. I didn't get the tail to step out on my test drive, but I also never detected even a hint of understeer at lateral loads that would have had a GTI pushing. And that torque steer I mentioned occurs more in a straight line, when it's just fun, rather than while attempting to accelerate out of a tight corner where it could be distracting. Again, I must emphasize the car I drove was a non-PP so it lacked the torque vectoring LSD. I imagine those will turn in and find exit traction even better, though whether it crosses into the realm of feeling artificial, I cannot say.

Overall, the car just has a level of polish to it's dynamics that a MK7, or at least any MK7 sold in the States, just can't touch. The car feels all-of-a-piece, like it was setup by people who really understand driving, and they poured their heart and soul into the car and really nailed it. More than literally any stock car I've ever driven, it just feels right straight out of the box, and I can think of nothing I would want to change. If you're looking for some cars to compare it to, it has the low, compact feeling and fantastic shifter and clutch of a BRZ, with the aggression and sense of playfulness of a Fiesta ST, with the sound of a heavily-modified Abarth, and the engine response and feel of a GTI, yet as fast as an R on the move. Pretty impressive list of attributes.

Quite frankly, I fell in love with the N and didn't want to hand the key back to the salesman after my test drive. If the car they had on the lot had the PP, I likely would have traded my R in on the spot, but I know I would regret not having the big brakes and LSD the first time I hit the track with it, so I must wait. In the end, I think I'll end up with both, as my wife loves driving the R and said she would rather trade in her Jeep and keep the R, so best of both worlds I suppose. But make no mistake, if I had to choose one, I'd take the N over my R, and a GTI isn't even a factor.
 

Escape Hatch

Autocross Champion
Location
USA
Car(s)
Mk7 GTI
Guess it's a good thing my GTI will leave an N parked on or off the track.

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PRRGG1

Drag Racing Champion
Location
USA
Veloster N is very impressive in testing, but I just could never drive one. It looks like one of my 3 year old's Playskool toys.

Assuming that the Veloster N has the same body lines as the Veloster Turbo R, I visited my Hyundai Dealer and came away with the same conclusion as you. I just couldn't see myself owning such a thing, though it'll find favor somewhere.
 

KASPER1

Go Kart Champion
Location
AMONGST U
There is no way I’d trade my R for the Hyundai. They’re not even in the same class. I understand the comparison to a gti, I’d still easily take the gti, but awd is to much of a benefit. In comparing a gti vs n, I’m sure it instantly switches back in the gti’s favor the moment you start bolting on parts, the gti takes very well to bolt-ons, its been proven, I’d bet the n is near it’s limits in stock form, I’m glad it’ll push vw to make the gti better, stock vs stock, but the unknown of how the n’s bolt on gains will be, along with how it’ll actually hold up, makes the gti with a few mods the easy choice imo
 
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