Golf R Clubsport build

[docwyte]

shipping and exchange rate from Germany is not cheap, Wiechers have been around since the 70's in Germany the company is certified according to ISO9001:2008 and an officially recognized manufacturer of roll-cages meeting DMSB / FIA requirements and a long time builder/engineering and participant in the FIA WTCC Championship cars in Europe.

Whats sketchy to me is guy's who use Autopower and RSR I will risk it with the Germans.

Sure but they don't use that design on their ISO9001:2008, DMSB/FIA and WTCC cars. That's a harness bar, albeit a fancy one but still a harness bar. I never said the Autopower one was any better, they've both got design issues. IMO, if you're going to run a rollbar, make it the best one you can. That means it mounts to structural parts of the car, preferably welded in.

I get not wanting to weld in a rollbar on a mostly street car but therein lies the compromise, if you're truly tracking the car, err on the side of safety. If you're not truly tracking the car, then just get a less fancy harness bar that's more easily removable.

 

[greekspec2]

I don’t mean to come off as a hater, I’m mostly just envious of your badass car parts. You clearly have the money, and you spend it well. Just seems like a waste to me. Like someone buying a GT3 when it’ll never be allowed to do what it is purposefully designed to do- rip up racetracks. Enjoy!

no worries I'm just sharing

 

[greekspec2]

Sure but they don't use that design on their ISO9001:2008, DMSB/FIA and WTCC cars. That's a harness bar, albeit a fancy one but still a harness bar. I never said the Autopower one was any better, they've both got design issues. IMO, if you're going to run a rollbar, make it the best one you can. That means it mounts to structural parts of the car, preferably welded in.

I get not wanting to weld in a rollbar on a mostly street car but therein lies the compromise, if you're truly tracking the car, err on the side of safety. If you're not truly tracking the car, then just get a less fancy harness bar that's more easily removable.

they have other options including half or full cages this is a clubsport bar it's design purpose was to be installed during season and removed when needed.

 

[GTI Jake]

I would only consider two options;

A: Track my street car with a helmet and enjoy responsibly.

B: Install a full SCCA certified (or insert your sanctioning body here) with properly welded floor plates, dash bar (no around the dash crap), door bars, etc design to truly replace all of the OEM safety equipment.

If you are in a roll over crash and pinned upright in fixed back seats with a five point harness you're in the crumple zone that wouldn't exist with a full cage. Just my two cents, I'm not here to tell anyone what to spend their money on.

 

[golfdave]

Right to get some factual info out there regarding Wiechers roll cages....

They are a very well established & respected German tuning & specialist motorsport prep company..

https://www.wiechers-sport.de/en/sh...olf-vii-typ-au-ab-bj-08-2012-clubsport-detail

The cages they sell "of the shelf" for the MK7 Golf have the following choices:-
sunroof or not?
2 or 4 door?
with or without rear seats?
2 different steel types.
unpainted or painted in red, or black, or custom, or powder coated custom.
with or without diagonal strut bar?
cross bar instead of diagonal, & with or without removable gusset plates.
H-strut bar or not?

Now the most important is if you want harness connection points for 4/5/or 6point, which is:-
No safety tube, or safety tube with or without nut inserts.

These roll cages are NOT FIA certified, (they do make FIA ones) but the company has been building roll cages for motorsport in Europe since 1969, & knows what to do.

So those road roll cages are not worth it & you can't trust them????….

Wrong, when VW set the track laps at the Nürburgring in the MK7 Golf Clubsport...if you look closely at the pictures you will find they had those exact above roll cages as they did the track prep for VW...

If I was building a proper road & track, "Clubsport" (as it should have been built) I'd have one of their cages in ..in a heart beat....but with some proper padding at appropriate points...

 

[greekspec2]

sure did.......

 

[Faceman]

So those road roll cages are not worth it & you can't trust them????….

Wrong, when VW set the track laps at the Nürburgring in the MK7 Golf Clubsport...if you look closely at the pictures you will find they had those exact above roll cages as they did the track prep for VW...

Let me guess, they wear helmets while the cage is in, too?

 

[jmblur]

Also, if you're going to wear harnesses, for your neck's sake PLEASE wear a helmet and HANS device. If you're just driving around town, use the 3pt belt.

 

[docwyte]

That harness angle is far from ideal. The harness bar should be mounted much higher on the main hoop.

 

[greekspec2]

That harness angle is far from ideal. The harness bar should be mounted much higher on the main hoop.

Same angle and almost same mount points as a Schroth quick fit

 

[golfdave]

Same angle and almost same mount points as a Schroth quick fit

Yeah & something I would not use...you need the higher middle bar (harness) fitted as in a crash using it with a harness the belt is way too long if you get deformation of the seat back....& the loading angle is incorrect...plus in one of the pictures the belts are bunched up as they pass through the seat slots because the belts loop around the "best fit" section on the bottom bar which puts them at a strange angle....

Sorry but most of the pictures showing people fitting 4 points to a roll cage that is NOT made for harnesses...that's just asking for trouble in a crash...might as well use the factory seat belt..far safer & with correct angles...

Years ago one of my mates was a test driver for several Europe rally teams (Mitsubishi, Peugeot, Ford he help build their Focus rally car)….had a shock absorber explode at 80mph which flipped the car into a high speed summersault up & over a banking..car was a ball of steel wrapped around the roll cage...cracked his helmet as it smacked the top side bar..(above door)...he only had a sore neck & this was before Hans devices as in 1993/1994.

For your own safety only fit a harness to a roll cage that has the correct higher middle bar....& Wiechers do this as an option..

& wear a helmet if on track...& use roll cage padding..especially if you have the 5 door Golf as the main roll cage section is closer to your head than in the 3dr....& please NOTE that the driver (Benny Leuchter) as seen in the press photos who set the Nürburgring record in the MK7 Clubsport is circa 165cm...(5ft 5inch)..so if you are taller your seat will be further back & closer the cage..

 

[jay745]

Yikes.

 

[greekspec2]

Yikes.

exactly what I say when I see people with Chinese made wheels

 

[greekspec2]

Yeah & something I would not use...you need the higher middle bar (harness) fitted as in a crash using it with a harness the belt is way too long if you get deformation of the seat back....& the loading angle is incorrect...plus in one of the pictures the belts are bunched up as they pass through the seat slots because the belts loop around the "best fit" section on the bottom bar which puts them at a strange angle....

Sorry but most of the pictures showing people fitting 4 points to a roll cage that is NOT made for harnesses...that's just asking for trouble in a crash...might as well use the factory seat belt..far safer & with correct angles...

Years ago one of my mates was a test driver for several Europe rally teams (Mitsubishi, Peugeot, Ford he help build their Focus rally car)….had a shock absorber explode at 80mph which flipped the car into a high speed summersault up & over a banking..car was a ball of steel wrapped around the roll cage...cracked his helmet as it smacked the top side bar..(above door)...he only had a sore neck & this was before Hans devices as in 1993/1994.

For your own safety only fit a harness to a roll cage that has the correct higher middle bar....& Wiechers do this as an option..

& wear a helmet if on track...& use roll cage padding..especially if you have the 5 door Golf as the main roll cage section is closer to your head than in the 3dr....& please NOTE that the driver (Benny Leuchter) as seen in the press photos who set the Nürburgring record in the MK7 Clubsport is circa 165cm...(5ft 5inch)..so if you are taller your seat will be further back & closer the cage..

I'll consult with a old work friend from Volkswagen of America he's now a semi pro rally driver

 

[NCM]

Yeah & something I would not use...you need the higher middle bar (harness) fitted as in a crash using it with a harness the belt is way too long if you get deformation of the seat back....& the loading angle is incorrect...plus in one of the pictures the belts are bunched up as they pass through the seat slots because the belts loop around the "best fit" section on the bottom bar which puts them at a strange angle.

Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone would make a half-cage like that without a shoulder level harness bar at the main hoop.

Long shoulder harness runs to a rearward anchor point are common practice in Europe — frequently seen on WRC cars back when we still had TV coverage of the sport. (However they would not normally go to a low anchor point that would vertically stress the seat back.) It's not generally considered acceptable in North America.

Note that harness manufacturer Schroth, whose installation safety instructions are followed by almost everyone (download link on this page: https://www.schroth.com/en/segments/racing/service/installation-instructions.html), also calls for the shoulder webbing runs to be crossed over each other if the rear mounting points are more than 500mm/20" from the seat back apertures. None of the photos here show that having been done.

Neil