Which coil overs are best for my situation

[mike-y]

IE is good for the ECU tune but their DSG tune is not for me. I hate how it holds gears and shifts in regular city driving.

I had the IE DSG tune in my old GTI, and didn't like how if you were slowing down, it didn't downshift to a lower gear until you were down to like 1100 rpm, and then it finally would downshift, and make the car bog when you got back on the gas cuz you were at like 1500rpm.. When I got the R, I decided to try the APR DSG tune (mostly because it was on sale, and wascheaper at the time), and I am pleased that when slowing down, it does downshift at a higher rpm, and doesn't bog. Other than that, it is hard to tell the difference between the two.

 

[geokilla]

I had the IE DSG tune in my old GTI, and didn't like how if you were slowing down, it didn't downshift to a lower gear until you were down to like 1100 rpm, and then it finally would downshift, and make the car bog when you got back on the gas cuz you were at like 1500rpm.. When I got the R, I decided to try the APR DSG tune (mostly because it was on sale, and wascheaper at the time), and I am pleased that when slowing down, it does downshift at a higher rpm, and doesn't bog. Other than that, it is hard to tell the difference between the two.

Yes that's pretty stupid too by IE. I asked them to update the tune and they said they won't. Does the APR DSG tune hold gears just as long before automatically upshifting?

 

[up4speed]

buy a dedicated track car. dual duty cars are solely an exercise in compromise. I bought an e46 m3 to replace my GTI's track duties, and have never looked back (even if the m3 is heavier and slower haha)

I've been going back and forth for the past few weeks trying to decide what to do. I got all the suspension parts in my cart to purchase, and I almost pushed the submit order button, and a Cayman S that looked good popped up out of nowhere, and the guy is only about 3.5 hrs away from me. I decided to pursue that car at this point. I have a plan to pick it up in about a week and a half. If anything falls through for any reason, I'll probably go back to my order and hit the submit button, lol.

 

[Isty]

Gonna hijack the thread a bit with similar problem!

Looking to replace OEM ddc dampers with coilovers.
Today I have the 034motorsport Camster mounts, 034 dynamic rco, powerflex adjustable wishbone bushing and Eibach pro kit springs, which all gives me -3.5 camber up front.

I daily the car for work and do 4-6 trackdays per year.

I would like to keep the price at b16 levels but it Öhlins is the way to go then why not?

Do you have to get a DDC delete kit or can you just drive with the faulty messages?

I'm probably gonna run 265/35-18 up front with protrack one 18x9 et52, seems like it should work out with current setup at least but will coilovers change that?

 

[mike-y]

Yes that's pretty stupid too by IE. I asked them to update the tune and they said they won't. Does the APR DSG tune hold gears just as long before automatically upshifting?

Not in D. In S mode, there might be a couple of times where the car hangs on to 3rd gear for a bit too long when you are just cruising, and will sit at 3000rpm for a bit without upshifting, but it's not often. I'll have to speed up for a second to make it kick into 4th and then back off (or use the paddle).

My commute is all surface streets now, so I'm never really going much faster than 40-45 mph or so on my way home, and even then, this situation is rare enough that it doesn't happen much. Most of the time, I drive in Sport mode, and everything is fine. But of course, YMMV.

 

[scrllock]

Gonna hijack the thread a bit with similar problem!

Looking to replace OEM ddc dampers with coilovers.
Today I have the 034motorsport Camster mounts, 034 dynamic rco, powerflex adjustable wishbone bushing and Eibach pro kit springs, which all gives me -3.5 camber up front.

I daily the car for work and do 4-6 trackdays per year.

I would like to keep the price at b16 levels but it Öhlins is the way to go then why not?

Do you have to get a DDC delete kit or can you just drive with the faulty messages?

I'm probably gonna run 265/35-18 up front with protrack one 18x9 et52, seems like it should work out with current setup at least but will coilovers change that?

if you don't solve the DCC issue you can't turn off traction control. there are several canceler kits, or alternatively you can code off DCC and re-wire your AFS sensor to the BCM directly.

I would run at least a 7mm spacer on those wheels, but I think 265/35 has better odds of fitting with more caster than 245/40.

 

[Isty]

if you don't solve the DCC issue you can't turn off traction control. there are several canceler kits, or alternatively you can code off DCC and re-wire your AFS sensor to the BCM directly.

I would run at least a 7mm spacer on those wheels, but I think 265/35 has better odds of fitting with more caster than 245/40.

Ah, thank you for this info! Had no idea about the traction control part.
I've got 10mm, 15mm and 20 or 25mm spacers so the 10s should be perfect if needed.
I guess KW DDC and the Bilstein Damptronics are a no-go? Would be fantastic to be able to use DDC still as OEM, but I rather have the better dampers if thats the case.

 

[Handguns4heaRTs]

I've been going back and forth for the past few weeks trying to decide what to do. I got all the suspension parts in my cart to purchase, and I almost pushed the submit order button, and a Cayman S that looked good popped up out of nowhere, and the guy is only about 3.5 hrs away from me. I decided to pursue that car at this point. I have a plan to pick it up in about a week and a half. If anything falls through for any reason, I'll probably go back to my order and hit the submit button, lol.

Hell ya. Cayman is always the answer, not Miata. Enjoy!

 

[scrllock]

Ah, thank you for this info! Had no idea about the traction control part.
I've got 10mm, 15mm and 20 or 25mm spacers so the 10s should be perfect if needed.
I guess KW DDC and the Bilstein Damptronics are a no-go? Would be fantastic to be able to use DDC still as OEM, but I rather have the better dampers if thats the case.

up to you really. my understanding is that the KW DDC is using the ohlins/tenneco valve similarly to our stock DCC, whereas Bilstein is more like PASM and is mostly just rebound-adjustment. KW is much softer, Bilstein is more appropriately sprung for track use, but both are progressive, not linear.

Neither are rebuildable, which is the main reason I'd avoid them given the $3k+ pricetag.

 

[tigeo]

I've not driven in a car with the DCC but why not keep the factory dampers and just run some springs?

 

[Sav_mk7.5]

Everyone should really read this a few times...it's true. A set of sport dampers and some springs with some added negative camber (some dynamic from added caster) and sway bars can get you around the track pretty quick. This setup also allows you to take your family to dinner in your car without drama if the dual-use is a requirement. I realize a set of nice coilovers that isn't overly damped/sprung can do the same with more adjustability but the beforementioned is a relatively cheap endeavor and is a reliable/set and forget setup. Chasing lap times with suspension seems to be a fools errand from what I can tell vs. seat time and coaching and derhase's time comparo to a faster car with a much more track-orientated suspension setup is proof.

I'm glad you mentioned this.
I've thought about going the lowering spring route and actually purchased a set of Racing Line VWR Sport Springs already.
My next purchase should be a set of B8s and the Eurosport Street Camber Kit.

I have a question for you though - did you experience any negative rake with the lowering springs?
Maybe it's an issue with the VWR springs and not the H&R, but I could have sworn I saw it mentioned somewhere that they're likely to induce a negative rake (maybe that was with the factory dampers...?)

 

[tigeo]

I'm glad you mentioned this.
I've thought about going the lowering spring route and actually purchased a set of Racing Line VWR Sport Springs already.
My next purchase should be a set of B8s and the Eurosport Street Camber Kit.

I have a question for you though - did you experience any negative rake with the lowering springs?
Maybe it's an issue with the VWR springs and not the H&R, but I could have sworn I saw it mentioned somewhere that they're likely to induce a negative rake (maybe that was with the factory dampers...?)

No quite the opposite...my H&Rs on the wagon have + rake.

 

[Sav_mk7.5]

No quite the opposite...my H&Rs on the wagon have + rake.

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Looks great!!
I’ve seen other threads where it was suggested to buy Audi spring perches for the rear because of negative rake…and now I remember why!
It’s because my car is a 6mt, not DSG

 

[tigeo]

Looks great!!
I’ve seen other threads where it was suggested to buy Audi spring perches for the rear because of negative rake…and now I remember why!
It’s because my car is a 6mt, not DSG

It also varies based on the springs, I don't think the slight weight difference in manual vs. auto will make any material difference here. The springs for the GSW 4Mo and Alltrack are the same regardless of transmission so for you, it could sit slightly higher up front.

 

[Sav_mk7.5]

I've been going back and forth for the past few weeks trying to decide what to do. I got all the suspension parts in my cart to purchase, and I almost pushed the submit order button, and a Cayman S that looked good popped up out of nowhere, and the guy is only about 3.5 hrs away from me. I decided to pursue that car at this point. I have a plan to pick it up in about a week and a half. If anything falls through for any reason, I'll probably go back to my order and hit the submit button, lol.

I’m curious what you ended up doing!

I was going to go the same route as you, IF I decided to do coilovers.

I still may just save some money and do Eibach springs and sport dampers.