What did you do to your mk7 today?

[Daks]

Most people don't drive their car hard enough to notice an improvement over the stock rear sway. For people that autocross, track, yes - for most: save your cash and go big turbo, that's the real difference you'll feel.

 

[jimlloyd40]

For sure. When I was on the 93 tune I noticed (and logged) timing pull really often when it was ~90F. And now that I'm currently on a stock tune, I still notice it sometimes. Luckily I can pop in a bottle of octane booster if it's reallllly hot and that band-aids it.

Octane booster will help in that scenario but you still need the IC to help prevent heat soak which will cut your timing regardless of how much octane booster you use.

 

[mrmatto]

Octane booster will help in that scenario but you still need the IC to help prevent heat soak which will cut your timing regardless of how much octane booster you use.

100%. Octane booster is a quick band aid, nothing more

 

[GTIfan99]

Most people don't drive their car hard enough to notice an improvement over the stock rear sway. For people that autocross, track, yes - for most: save your cash and go big turbo, that's the real difference you'll feel.

I own both an 18 S non-PP and 19 PP. You are correct if talking about a PP. The non-PP understeered like crazy on the street even at 6/10ths pace. First time I went around a traffic circle, almost understeered into a curb in the 18 S. I have a video of an autocross run the first weekend I bought it, stock, it was some of the worst understeer I've ever encountered.

Last weekend I drove an AB with DCC on RT660's at our local autocross. Car was perfect stock.

Not all GTIs trims are exactly the same handling, even from the factory. non-PP, non-DCC 100% need a RSB, even on the street.

 

[mrmatto]

I own both an 18 S non-PP and 19 PP. You are correct if talking about a PP. The non-PP understeered like crazy on the street even at 6/10ths pace. First time I went around a traffic circle, almost understeered into a curb in the 18 S. I have a video of an autocross run the first weekend I bought it, stock, it was some of the worst understeer I've ever encountered.

Last weekend I drove an AB with DCC on RT660's at our local autocross. Car was perfect stock.

Not all GTIs trims are exactly the same handling, even from the factory. non-PP, non-DCC 100% need a RSB, even on the street.

I can imagine the non-PP understeering a lot when you're trying to accelerate since there's no LSD. But other than that, I don't see why a non-PP would understeer more than a PP, all other things being equal. I've found my base GTI handles pretty flat and is competitive with the 3rd gen Mazda 3 that I recently sold, which was an excellent handler.

 

[GTI Jake]

Drove the GLI, washed the Gti, and was disappointed by OBDELEVEN.

 

[messrock]

I can imagine the non-PP understeering a lot when you're trying to accelerate since there's no LSD. But other than that, I don't see why a non-PP would understeer more than a PP, all other things being equal. I've found my base GTI handles pretty flat and is competitive with the 3rd gen Mazda 3 that I recently sold, which was an excellent handler.

Performance pack has a bigger rear sway.

 

[mrmatto]

Performance pack has a bigger rear sway.

I thought that was only on models equipped with the DCC package? Regular PP has a few more hp, bigger brakes, and the LSD. I've never heard that the sway was included.

 

[messrock]

I thought that was only on models equipped with the DCC package? Regular PP has a few more hp, bigger brakes, and the LSD. I've never heard that the sway was included.

You are correct on that (my bad), but all AB models come with DCC, so @GTIfan99 comparison would be correct.

 

[mrmatto]

You are correct on that (my bad), but all AB models come with DCC, so @GTIfan99 comparison would be correct.

What is AB? Also, he was comparing "18 S non-PP and 19 PP" in the first sentence.

 

[messrock]

What is AB?

Autobahn trim level.

 

[jimlloyd40]

I thought that was only on models equipped with the DCC package? Regular PP has a few more hp, bigger brakes, and the LSD. I've never heard that the sway was included.

I have an 18 SE PP with LSD and it understeered quite bad until I added a RSB. I think you're right the RSB between the PP and no PP is the same. And if the PP does come with a bigger RSB it still isn't big enough to prevent understeer.

 

[CaptainRatty]

Drove the GLI, washed the Gti, and was disappointed by OBDELEVEN.
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They ruined the iOS app. It's all but useless for me as well even when you get it connected.

 

[GTIfan99]

I can imagine the non-PP understeering a lot when you're trying to accelerate since there's no LSD. But other than that, I don't see why a non-PP would understeer more than a PP, all other things being equal. I've found my base GTI handles pretty flat and is competitive with the 3rd gen Mazda 3 that I recently sold, which was an excellent handler.

All I can say is that I've autocrossed non-PP, PP, and PP DCC, all on 200tw tires. The understeer decreases with trim level.

I noticed significant understeer with my non-PP. Alignment can reduce that, by zeroing out rear toe some.

Grip level of the tire and surface also affect handling balance. The more grip, the tighter the car gets.

 

[mrmatto]

All I can say is that I've autocrossed non-PP, PP, and PP DCC, all on 200tw tires. The understeer decreases with trim level.

I noticed significant understeer with my non-PP. Alignment can reduce that, by zeroing out rear toe some.

I wonder if there was a bad alignment on the non-pp one you drove. I just don't see how it could understeer so significantly more than the pp model (non DCC) if everything else was the same. So far, I haven't found my non-pp model to understeer that bad, and even some late braking brings the back end out a bit pretty effortlessly.