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Whiskey

New member
Location
Chicago Area
Car(s)
2016 MK7 GTI
RSB made my car neutral. Zero rear toe made it rotate. Adding lowering springs to that setup made it understeer again, even after adding camber plates up front. Had to dial in toe out in the rear to get it to neutral again, and even more to get it to rotate again.

Suspension tuning is black magic.

But seriously, with lowering springs you get into the bump stops much quicker, and though you end to with more static neg camber, with lowering springs you start to gain camber almost immediately.

So I installed a RSB, and now if I install my Eibach Pro springs I will lose my neutral handling that I just fell in love with??
 

Daks

Autocross Champion
Location
Toronto
Car(s)
GTI PP
RSB made my car neutral. Zero rear toe made it rotate. Adding lowering springs to that setup made it understeer again, even after adding camber plates up front. Had to dial in toe out in the rear to get it to neutral again, and even more to get it to rotate again.

Suspension tuning is black magic.

But seriously, with lowering springs you get into the bump stops much quicker, and though you end to with more static neg camber, with lowering springs you start to gain camber almost immediately.
This is why I have not been touching my suspension since my Civic in 2008. I figured zee Germans at VW knew what they were doing.
 

GTIfan99

Autocross Champion
Location
FL

So I installed a RSB, and now if I install my Eibach Pro springs I will lose my neutral handling that I just fell in love with??

That was my experience, yes. And I track and autocross the car regularly, so I know the difference between neutral handling and understeer.

My buddy uses the same springs you're installing, and same thing. These cars do not like to be lowered, destroys the camber curve and puts them on the bumpstops right after turn in.

I would return the springs, and buy a set of stock R spring, which is what the CS uses or get a good set of coilovers.

If you ignore my advice, just do what I did, and add a .30 neg toe per side in the rear. Frees it right up.
 

GTI Jake

Autocross Champion
Location
Charlotte, NC
Figured I’d show this too. The QTP Valve controller installation, environmental spliced into the 12v charge port OEM wiring. Used a factory ground point and 3M double sided tape to secure the box itself.

All buttoned up it’s fused and key’d power just like it came this way from the factory. The wiring from the valve motor to the controller uses an existing OEM grommet as well.






 

averyislost

Go Kart Champion
Location
Charlotte, NC
Car(s)
2020 GTI S
Figured I’d show this too. The QTP Valve controller installation, environmental spliced into the 12v charge port OEM wiring. Used a factory ground point and 3M double sided tape to secure the box itself.

All buttoned up it’s fused and key’d power just like it came this way from the factory. The wiring from the valve motor to the controller uses an existing OEM grommet as well.







This is wayyy too clean!
 

Whiskey

New member
Location
Chicago Area
Car(s)
2016 MK7 GTI
That was my experience, yes. And I track and autocross the car regularly, so I know the difference between neutral handling and understeer.

My buddy uses the same springs you're installing, and same thing. These cars do not like to be lowered, destroys the camber curve and puts them on the bumpstops right after turn in.

I would return the springs, and buy a set of stock R spring, which is what the CS uses or get a good set of coilovers.

If you ignore my advice, just do what I did, and add a .30 neg toe per side in the rear. Frees it right up.
OK. Good advice. Let's say I'm not going to autocross it, and I just want it for looks and a little spirited driving. Am I going to notice the increase in understeer, or is that just at the limits of grip?
 

GTIfan99

Autocross Champion
Location
FL
OK. Good advice. Let's say I'm not going to autocross it, and I just want it for looks and a little spirited driving. Am I going to notice the increase in understeer, or is that just at the limits of grip?

I don't really drive hard on my daily tires to be able to honestly answer that. I'll drive like a mad man on my way to work tomorrow and report back. 🤣

Another point of data is that the car tended to get looser as tires heat cycled out, and had less grip, with my RSB only.

After springs, the opposite was true. The car got tighter as tires heat cycled out.

I'm considering cutting the bump stops an inch to see if that helps, because I think the issue is getting into the bump stops so quickly at turn in.
 

MonkeyMD

Autocross Champion
I did drive like a madman all the time. Coilovers at 26" ftg, so not low at all. Not sure what stock gti is. Front camber at -2.4. Rear at -1.4. Stock sway bars. It'll push a little on partial throttle, but not much. Off throttle can definitely induce oversteer. On throttle because of lsd will pull you into corner.
 

Ezekiel81923

Drag Racing Champion
Location
Royersford, PA
Car(s)
2019 Volkswagen GTI
I'm on H&R Sports but upgraded the shocks and struts to B8's too.

The Bilstein's have internal stops up front so I don't run the stockers, and the springs came with shorter rear bump stops. -1.8 degrees camber in the front and 220tw tires. H&R 26mm RSB and a subframe brace in the back.

I've hooned it a bunch and have never hit the stops. "Hooning" on the highway is definitely different from tracking it but I think it's a great all-around setup.
 

Whiskey

New member
Location
Chicago Area
Car(s)
2016 MK7 GTI
I don't really drive hard on my daily tires to be able to honestly answer that. I'll drive like a mad man on my way to work tomorrow and report back. 🤣

Another point of data is that the car tended to get looser as tires heat cycled out, and had less grip, with my RSB only.

After springs, the opposite was true. The car got tighter as tires heat cycled out.

I'm considering cutting the bump stops an inch to see if that helps, because I think the issue is getting into the bump stops so quickly at turn in.
LOL! OK, but if you get a ticket, or put your car into a tree it's not my fault. Thanks for volunteering to research though. 😄
 

GTIfan99

Autocross Champion
Location
FL
I did drive like a madman all the time. Coilovers at 26" ftg, so not low at all. Not sure what stock gti is. Front camber at -2.4. Rear at -1.4. Stock sway bars. It'll push a little on partial throttle, but not much. Off throttle can definitely induce oversteer. On throttle because of lsd will pull you into corner.

I'm 25" ftg with the APR springs, so that makes sense. You're at about stock GTI height in front. You can see I'm all up in the bumpstops here.

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Here's a static picture.

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jimlloyd40

Autocross Champion
Location
Phoenix
Car(s)
2018 SE DSG
I did drive like a madman all the time. Coilovers at 26" ftg, so not low at all. Not sure what stock gti is. Front camber at -2.4. Rear at -1.4. Stock sway bars. It'll push a little on partial throttle, but not much. Off throttle can definitely induce oversteer. On throttle because of lsd will pull you into corner.
I always suspected that's how you drive.
😂
 
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