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Vibration?

R8TID R

New member
Location
TORONTO
I end up balancing the Tires again. Didn't really help.... I got VWR Springs installed now too and had the car realigned... High speed its still not a comfortable feel.... Honestly it's not that terrible but still a bit annoying when I notice it. I might just go to the dealership but now that I have VWR springs installed they will give me crap for that and blame them even though this was a pre-spring issue.
Flat spots develop on tires that sit in one place for too long, or if they’ve been sitting while they are under-inflated. I thought you have a bad tire but then I saw you changed them. Has anyone ever checked these:

1. The balancing of your drive shaft.
2. The torque of your bolts for your engine, transmission and dog bone bolts.
3. Broken or failing crankshaft pulley? (It’s a harmonic balancer)
4. Does your engine look like it’s straight in the engine compartment? The mounts have play and if installed incorrectly the engine can be slightly crooked in the compartment. Check the DIY instructions on ECS tuning for their motor and tranny mounts to see what I’m referring to.
 
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OffTheFence

New member
Location
Michigan
I just picked mine up today and drove it 3+ hours, horrible vibration from 60+ My legs and arms were shaking and the zipper on my jacket that I placed on the passenger seat was rattling away the whole way home.

I could feel the vibration through my seat and see the passenger headrest vibrating as well as the rear headrests. 19" OEM Englishtowns with shitty Continental run-flats, but I can't imagine this is within normal operating expectations. I'm pretty effin' pissed atm, will call the local dealer and make an appt. on Monday.
 

jimlloyd40

Drag Race Newbie
Location
Phoenix
Ride
2018 SE DSG
I just picked mine up today and drove it 3+ hours, horrible vibration from 60+ My legs and arms were shaking and the zipper on my jacket that I placed on the passenger seat was rattling away the whole way home.

I could feel the vibration through my seat and see the passenger headrest vibrating as well as the rear headrests. 19" OEM Englishtowns with shitty Continental run-flats, but I can't imagine this is within normal operating expectations. I'm pretty effin' pissed atm, will call the local dealer and make an appt. on Monday.

I would just go there on Monday and have them drive it. If you make an appointment and it takes some time until your appointment happens they could tell you that you must have hit a curb or something and that kind of problem isn't covered by the warranty. Actually I would go tomorrow.
 

OffTheFence

New member
Location
Michigan
I would just go there on Monday and have them drive it. If you make an appointment and it takes some time until your appointment happens they could tell you that you must have hit a curb or something and that kind of problem isn't covered by the warranty. Actually I would go tomorrow.
Solid advice, thanks. I was thinking about that over the weekend. Will try to step away from work tomorrow for a bit and let you all know what the outcome is.
 

bruckuss

New member
Location
ON
2016 GTI PP with DCC @ 67,000 km's. Owned for 1 year, bought CPO, has done this since day 1 of my ownership, 2 sets of wheels, now on 4th set of tires. Meticulous cleaning and torque of wheels, mating surfaces, bolts, etc.

Same issues as described, shaking and "uneasy" at any non city speed, noticeably from 60 km/h up, but especially 100 km/h+ (honestly feels like its going to blow apart at 140, that's the highest i've taken it). Whole car shakes, rearview mirror bounces up and down, hand on passenger seat feels like it's hopping. Whole thing basically vibrates.

- Happened since day 1 (bought it CPO), wasn't able to test drive it at highway speed due to dealer location (busy Toronto highway during rush hour). Took it back, they've said "cannot replicate".. Took it back a second time, with the tech in the car up to approx 100 km/h, who said "this is normal, this is how they drive" - wtf.

The history:
- First drive home at hwy speed, felt it. Came with PP summer tires, OEM austins
- Bought in Dec 2018, so needed snow tires that night. Bought used wheels and snow tires locally, installed myself - actually felt half decent for 2 days.
- Sold those used x-ice snow tires (50% tread) and swapped in fresh conti's, mounted to Audi TTRS Reps, shop could not balance them - ended up replacing all 4 new tires with another set. On the second set, and now 4x mount and balance attempts, using road force for 2 of them - still vibrates...
- Need rings for these wheels, tried 3 different sets (2 nylon and 1 alu), still vibes (nylon vibes did feel softer lol)
- Meticulously cleaned all wheel bolt threads with wire brush, mating surfaces, wheel barrels, etc etc (in winter), still vibes. Gave up for the winter, too cold to dik around with this

- Back to the OEM wheels+ OEM rubber this summer, still vibrates.
- Re-installed and re-torqued twice, star pattern by hand, and then in 20 lb increments at home, still vibrates.
- Retorque a 3rd time, up to 110 ft lb, still vibrates.
- Took to local dealer to explain, they said alignment was off. Paid for alignment, still vibrates
- Just changed DSG and Haldex fluids, no change
- Removed OEM rubber this month, bought new 235/40 Conti DWS 06, still vibrates

Thinking it's brakes, hubs, driveshafts, or as per a few posts up - engine, trans or other mount? My brakes don't pulsate, but are getting down anyways - that's next on my list, and will allow me to get a better look at the hubs.

Want to love this car, but hate driving it at speed! Dealerships have been no help, at least the complaints are logged. No time to deal with this, drive thousands of km's per month for work and can't be without my car, easier to repair myself after hours (competent tech).

Following this thread, seems to have great info (and if you are new to the issue, be sure to follow the other TR thread on the hub taper as well, just to make it extra fun)
 

jimlloyd40

Drag Race Newbie
Location
Phoenix
Ride
2018 SE DSG
2016 GTI PP with DCC @ 67,000 km's. Owned for 1 year, bought CPO, has done this since day 1 of my ownership, 2 sets of wheels, now on 4th set of tires. Meticulous cleaning and torque of wheels, mating surfaces, bolts, etc.

Same issues as described, shaking and "uneasy" at any non city speed, noticeably from 60 km/h up, but especially 100 km/h+ (honestly feels like its going to blow apart at 140, that's the highest i've taken it). Whole car shakes, rearview mirror bounces up and down, hand on passenger seat feels like it's hopping. Whole thing basically vibrates.

- Happened since day 1 (bought it CPO), wasn't able to test drive it at highway speed due to dealer location (busy Toronto highway during rush hour). Took it back, they've said "cannot replicate".. Took it back a second time, with the tech in the car up to approx 100 km/h, who said "this is normal, this is how they drive" - wtf.

The history:
- First drive home at hwy speed, felt it. Came with PP summer tires, OEM austins
- Bought in Dec 2018, so needed snow tires that night. Bought used wheels and snow tires locally, installed myself - actually felt half decent for 2 days.
- Sold those used x-ice snow tires (50% tread) and swapped in fresh conti's, mounted to Audi TTRS Reps, shop could not balance them - ended up replacing all 4 new tires with another set. On the second set, and now 4x mount and balance attempts, using road force for 2 of them - still vibrates...
- Need rings for these wheels, tried 3 different sets (2 nylon and 1 alu), still vibes (nylon vibes did feel softer lol)
- Meticulously cleaned all wheel bolt threads with wire brush, mating surfaces, wheel barrels, etc etc (in winter), still vibes. Gave up for the winter, too cold to dik around with this

- Back to the OEM wheels+ OEM rubber this summer, still vibrates.
- Re-installed and re-torqued twice, star pattern by hand, and then in 20 lb increments at home, still vibrates.
- Retorque a 3rd time, up to 110 ft lb, still vibrates.
- Took to local dealer to explain, they said alignment was off. Paid for alignment, still vibrates
- Just changed DSG and Haldex fluids, no change
- Removed OEM rubber this month, bought new 235/40 Conti DWS 06, still vibrates

Thinking it's brakes, hubs, driveshafts, or as per a few posts up - engine, trans or other mount? My brakes don't pulsate, but are getting down anyways - that's next on my list, and will allow me to get a better look at the hubs.

Want to love this car, but hate driving it at speed! Dealerships have been no help, at least the complaints are logged. No time to deal with this, drive thousands of km's per month for work and can't be without my car, easier to repair myself after hours (competent tech).

Following this thread, seems to have great info (and if you are new to the issue, be sure to follow the other TR thread on the hub taper as well, just to make it extra fun)
Any noise or just vibration? Wheel bearing? Is tire tread pattern wear normal?
 

bruckuss

New member
Location
ON
Any noise or just vibration? Wheel bearing? Is tire tread pattern wear normal?
Noise is questionable, it's always been noisier than one would expect, and have had it just shy a year. I think it may be getting ever so slightly louder with time. Had a 300km commute yesterday with some windy roads, tough to tell if sound or vibes changed on long sweeping fast turns.. This morning I really paid attention to the noise, and it seems rotational in nature anyways.. Rhythmic anyways

Definitely not ruling out wheel bearings, dealer said they were fine this summer, and on jackstands here there is no discernible play - still doesn't mean one can't be bad however. Leaning towards wheel bearings myself.

Tires are brand new, and the 3 previous sets seem to be square, no cupping, feathering, etc. Shocks appear to be fine, alignment done recently.

Best way to describe it - car feels "nervous" at speed, almost a hopping sensation, or like you are driving over golf balls constantly.. When at highway speed, a quick shift to neutral doesn't change anything. Doesn't seem to worsen with brake application, or be throttle induced.

Very much speed sensitive
- 50km/h, noticeable but oscillates too slow to really annoy
- 60 to 80 km/h, more noticeable
- 80 to 120, definitely annoying

The odd thing is, sometimes on a long stretch of hwy, it will go from better to worse (25% better or worse either way)? Don't get me wrong, it's bad 95% of the time, but those random 5% sections are nice lol
 
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Jacobmk7

Ready to race!
Location
NC
Ride
2015 GTI S 4dr DSG
Had the same issue, ended up being bad tires. I balanced them many times and still a slight vibration, now I got as3+, smooth as silk.
 

jimlloyd40

Drag Race Newbie
Location
Phoenix
Ride
2018 SE DSG
Had the same issue, ended up being bad tires. I balanced them many times and still a slight vibration, now I got as3+, smooth as silk.
Same thing happened to me. I had Yokohama Avid Ascend GT tires and they wore a choppy pattern which produced a lot of vibration and I got the AS3 + tires also.
 
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