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Ukraine: WAR Huh - What Is It Good For Absorootly Nothing

Daks

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If Russia triggers Art 5 they most certainly will.
Lets hope that does not happen, nobody wants WWIII and that is exactly how it could start. We have reached a point in the world where nuclear powers cannot engage eachother in warfare without risking literally everything.
 

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Lets hope that does not happen, nobody wants WWIII and that is exactly how it could start. We have reached a point in the world where nuclear powers cannot engage eachother in warfare without risking literally everything.
Exactly.
 

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Many people believe "sanctions" are just weak empty threats, they are not. It is a general term for an almost unlimited list of actions that could be taken to literally ruin Russia. It may not change Putin's course but it can burn down his country around him. Sanctions can starve them out financially, technically and even literally. It will however take time for them to work. We are talking months and years, not weeks.

However, because Russia is the number 2 producer of oil in the world, the west will also feel the pain if they stop buying that oil which is Russias source of income. There is certainly more to the subject but you can see why the sanctions such as removing them from the banking system which would keep them from getting paid for their oil (stopping sales) needs to be implemented AFTER alternate oil sources or plans are in place. That of course is a big deal for EU especially since they use a lot of Russian oil.
 

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Many people believe "sanctions" are just weak empty threats, they are not. It is a general term for an almost unlimited list of actions that could be taken to literally ruin Russia. It may not change Putin's course but it can burn down his country around him. Sanctions can starve them out financially, technically and even literally. It will however take time for them to work. We are talking months and years, not weeks.

However, because Russia is the number 2 producer of oil in the world, the west will also feel the pain if they stop buying that oil which is Russias source of income. There is certainly more to the subject but you can see why the sanctions such as removing them from the banking system which would keep them from getting paid for their oil (stopping sales) needs to be implemented AFTER alternate oil sources or plans are in place. That of course is a big deal for EU especially since they use a lot of Russian oil.
Right. So you have the Saudis, that are in bed with the Russians, where ya'll gonna get your oil from? Fracking? The Canadian oil sands? Two way street. You impose sanctions but you also feel the pain.

It's all fucked up - people should just stop fighting and focus on upgrading their cars. The world would be a a much more fun, albeit polluted, place.
 

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Wait that wasn't my understanding of article 5 - I thought it was just war on one is war on all - i think biological weapons are still disallowed/considered war crimes.

NBC/CBRN is very limited and chem/bio are very much bad news, and governed by the CWC , not NATO’s Art.5. Sorry for leading to that conclusion, that was not my intent.

While we have purged a large amount of our chem/bio weapons in the 90s and 00s, we still maintain an arsenal of them. We are slated to be at full compliance with the CWC in 2023, but we will see. We don’t like to play nice from time to time. Much like our nukes, their effectiveness is the deterrence through mutually assured destruction. This is the basis of the comment above.

As for NATO attacking Russia, I don’t think doing a “Baghdad Roll” to oust Putin would be in order. Reading over the NATO charter it seems to be mostly defense in nature. But I don’t know enough to weigh in on the subject. It would be a bad plan to invade Russia, especially with a swath of their people rising up in opposition to their government. Nothing solidifies a population better than giving them a common foe.

I am certainly not calling for WW3, and yes that’s exactly what we’d have if NATO got into this mix. It’s just hard to ignore the parallels between this invasion and, say, Poland 1939?

Just think Puten needs his dick drug in the dirt for his bullshit.
 

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I am certainly not calling for WW3, and yes that’s exactly what we’d have if NATO got into this mix. It’s just hard to ignore the parallels between this invasion and, say,



Agreed, the free world needs to respond. History tells us what could happen if the free world responds with military action. So, we do other things to punish them.
 

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Many people believe "sanctions" are just weak empty threats, they are not. It is a general term for an almost unlimited list of actions that could be taken to literally ruin Russia. It may not change Putin's course but it can burn down his country around him. Sanctions can starve them out financially, technically and even literally. It will however take time for them to work. We are talking months and years, not weeks.

However, because Russia is the number 2 producer of oil in the world, the west will also feel the pain if they stop buying that oil which is Russias source of income. There is certainly more to the subject but you can see why the sanctions such as removing them from the banking system which would keep them from getting paid for their oil (stopping sales) needs to be implemented AFTER alternate oil sources or plans are in place. That of course is a big deal for EU especially since they use a lot of Russian oil.
don't forget natural gas. Europe gets the bulk of its natural gas from Russia, very recently Russia had Europe by the balls when they squeezed their gas pipelines.

Sanctions will have some effect, but it will be limited. Remember the world's largest single economy, China, is looking at this situation very differently from a geo-political standpoint. And they've still got one eye on Taiwan. Remember John Cena's pathetic apology because he called Taiwan a country? They're serious about it and waiting to see how the west will respond to Ukraine.
 

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don't forget natural gas. Europe gets the bulk of its natural gas from Russia, very recently Russia had Europe by the balls when they squeezed their gas pipelines.

Sanctions will have some effect, but it will be limited. Remember the world's largest single economy, China, is looking at this situation very differently from a geo-political standpoint. And they've still got one eye on Taiwan. Remember John Cena's pathetic apology because he called Taiwan a country? They're serious about it and waiting to see how the west will respond to Ukraine.

Maybe it’s time the world embargoes them back to the Stone Age?
 

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LONDON -- Britain's Ministry of Defense says the bulk of Russian forces advancing on the Ukrainian capital Kyiv are more than 50 kilometres from the centre of the city.
VIENNA -- The International Atomic Energy Agency says the decommissioned Chornobyl nuclear plant reported higher-than-usual radiation levels after being taken over by Russian forces invading Ukraine.
 

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don't forget natural gas. Europe gets the bulk of its natural gas from Russia, very recently Russia had Europe by the balls when they squeezed their gas pipelines.

Sanctions will have some effect, but it will be limited. Remember the world's largest single economy, China, is looking at this situation very differently from a geo-political standpoint. And they've still got one eye on Taiwan. Remember John Cena's pathetic apology because he called Taiwan a country? They're serious about it and waiting to see how the west will respond to Ukraine.
Completely agree, this is a test to see what the free world does and what the consequences will be for Putin and other autocrats who wish to consume other countries.
 
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