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Ukraine: WAR Huh - What Is It Good For Absorootly Nothing

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Ukraine shells Donetsk's Makiivka, hitting military quarters -officials (msn.com)

Ukraine’s Drones Keep Hitting Russia’s Bomber Bases. Now Russian Missile Crews Are Getting Jumpy. (msn.com)

Nearly 1,500 Russians Killed in Last Two Days of War: Ukraine (msn.com)

Russia says Ukrainian rocket strike kills 63 Russian troops (msn.com)

Anger in Russia as scores of troops killed in one of war's deadliest strikes (msn.com)

No to the tank delivery: „It would be an escalation that we all don’t want to imagine“ (msn.com)

Russian TV Hosts 'Surreal' New Year Show Fusing Music and War Propaganda (msn.com)

Ukraine's drone attack damages power facility in Russia's Bryansk region - local governor (msn.com)

Retired general responds to Ukraine strike on hundreds of Russian troops | Watch (msn.com)

Zelenskyy disgusted: „Russia was already pathetic and started the new year that way“ (msn.com)

Russian women who urged partner to assault Ukrainians added to wanted list (msn.com)

Ukraine's Zelenskiy: Our unity contrasts with Russian fear (msn.com)

And for a bit of Soviet propaganda

Dozens dead in Ukrainian strike on Russian troops – Moscow — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

Ukrainian drone hits energy facility inside Russia – governor — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

Russia reveals ‘new level’ of gas supplies to China — RT Business News

Goals outlined for Russia’s long-range air force in 2023 — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

Ukraine kills and injures Donbass civilians – officials — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

Kiev mayor criticizes Ukrainian authorities — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

Russian soldiers released from Ukrainian captivity – Defense Ministry — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

Confessions by Hollande and Merkel are ‘formalization of betrayal’ – top Russian senator — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

Over 3,000 bodies of civilians recovered in Mariupol – investigators — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

Ukraine falsifying history and ‘replacing’ memory – Moscow — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

And now back to regular programming

Russia plans 'prolonged' drone attacks - Zelensky (msn.com)

Why does mystery blonde keep popping up in Putin photo ops? (msn.com)

Similarities between Syria and Ukraine: a peek into Putin's war playbook (msn.com)
 

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A Single Ukrainian Rocket Volley Killed Or Wounded Hundreds Of Russian Troops As They Celebrated the New Year (msn.com)

Media: Ukrainian troops liberate island near Dnipro River's delta. (msn.com)

Zelenski warns that Russia has planned «war of attrition» with Iranian drones (msn.com)

Russia’s war lacks strategy, only aim is to bring suffering - analysis (msn.com)

Putin misjudged Ukraine. Is the West falling into a similar trap with Russia and China? (msn.com)

Ukraine announces discovery of torture camps in Kharkov (msn.com)

Japan's 'anti-Russian course' makes treaty talks impossible - TASS (msn.com)

Ukraine indicts Bank of Russia governor for allegedly financing Russian military groups (msn.com)

Ruslan Khasbulatov, who led Russian parliament revolt, dies (msn.com)

Ukraine's Locally Produced Artillery Shells Have Reached The Front (msn.com)

There’s a way to end Putin for good (msn.com)

Russia destroys Ukrainian Army arsenal in new offensive in Donetsk (msn.com)

Russia, shaken by Ukrainian strike, said mulling more drones (msn.com)

Vladimir Putin ally and critic are the latest Russian elites to mysteriously die (msn.com)

Ukraine war latest: Kyiv expects Russia to lose up to 70,000 troops in the next 4-5 months (msn.com)

Moldova provokes Transnistria and Russia with bid to criminalise separatist activities (msn.com)

Putin 'leaving Russians to freeze' after temperatures plunge to -46°C (msn.com) Wait… wasn’t Europe the one to be freezing?

Putin's Hopes for a Harsh Winter Melt Away Across Europe (msn.com) I do think it was….

Russian State TV Laments Loss of USSR—'A Soviet Miracle' (msn.com)

Wagner Leader Admits to Struggles in Bakhmut as Reputation Hangs by Thread (msn.com) What reputation?

Russia's Wagner Group Resorting to Recruiting Prisoners From Belarus-Report (msn.com)

Russian mercenary chief complains it takes ‘weeks to capture a house’ in Ukraine (msn.com)

Third Russian found dead in India in mysterious circumstances within two weeks (msn.com)

Surprising reasons why Putin won’t use nuclear weapons against Ukraine (msn.com)

Soldiers' widows group calls on Putin to order major mobilisation for Ukraine war (msn.com)

Putin Orders Screening of Ukraine Assault Documentaries (msn.com)

What Really Happened With Russia’s Economy in 2022? (msn.com)

Russia Unable to Learn From Their Mistakes—Retired Lt. General (msn.com)

Grief, anger in Russia over troops killed by Ukraine strike (msn.com)

Op-Ed: The next stage of Russia's secular decline comes in 2023 (msn.com)

Moscow's military leadership is under fire after a Ukrainian HIMARS strike killed scores of Russian soldiers (msn.com)

Russian soldier gave away his position with geotagged social media posts (msn.com)

Isolated and humiliated, ‘rogue’ Russia tops list of 2023 geopolitical risks: Eurasia Group (msn.com)

Putin’s Wall Street pals, Democrats’ brand in tatters, and more commentary (msn.com)

Top Putin Propagandist Urges Russians to Embrace Death: ‘We’ll Go to Heaven’ (msn.com)

ISW: Air, missile campaign against Ukraine likely not generating Kremlin’s desired information effects among Russia’s nationalists (msn.com)

Russia's defence ministry says 89 killed in Makiivka, blames use of mobile phones (msn.com) It was the fault of the troops. Housing troops with an ammo dump is fine.

Russian Setbacks in Ukraine Set Tone for 2023 (msn.com)

Putin plans to talk to Turkish President Erdogan on Wednesday - Interfax (msn.com)
 

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A Single Ukrainian Rocket Volley Killed Or Wounded Hundreds Of Russian Troops As They Celebrated the New Year (msn.com)

Media: Ukrainian troops liberate island near Dnipro River's delta. (msn.com)

Zelenski warns that Russia has planned «war of attrition» with Iranian drones (msn.com)

Russia’s war lacks strategy, only aim is to bring suffering - analysis (msn.com)

Putin misjudged Ukraine. Is the West falling into a similar trap with Russia and China? (msn.com)

Ukraine announces discovery of torture camps in Kharkov (msn.com)

Japan's 'anti-Russian course' makes treaty talks impossible - TASS (msn.com)

Ukraine indicts Bank of Russia governor for allegedly financing Russian military groups (msn.com)

Ruslan Khasbulatov, who led Russian parliament revolt, dies (msn.com)

Ukraine's Locally Produced Artillery Shells Have Reached The Front (msn.com)

There’s a way to end Putin for good (msn.com)

Russia destroys Ukrainian Army arsenal in new offensive in Donetsk (msn.com)

Russia, shaken by Ukrainian strike, said mulling more drones (msn.com)

Vladimir Putin ally and critic are the latest Russian elites to mysteriously die (msn.com)

Ukraine war latest: Kyiv expects Russia to lose up to 70,000 troops in the next 4-5 months (msn.com)

Moldova provokes Transnistria and Russia with bid to criminalise separatist activities (msn.com)

Putin 'leaving Russians to freeze' after temperatures plunge to -46°C (msn.com) Wait… wasn’t Europe the one to be freezing?

Putin's Hopes for a Harsh Winter Melt Away Across Europe (msn.com) I do think it was….

Russian State TV Laments Loss of USSR—'A Soviet Miracle' (msn.com)

Wagner Leader Admits to Struggles in Bakhmut as Reputation Hangs by Thread (msn.com) What reputation?

Russia's Wagner Group Resorting to Recruiting Prisoners From Belarus-Report (msn.com)

Russian mercenary chief complains it takes ‘weeks to capture a house’ in Ukraine (msn.com)

Third Russian found dead in India in mysterious circumstances within two weeks (msn.com)

Surprising reasons why Putin won’t use nuclear weapons against Ukraine (msn.com)

Soldiers' widows group calls on Putin to order major mobilisation for Ukraine war (msn.com)

Putin Orders Screening of Ukraine Assault Documentaries (msn.com)

What Really Happened With Russia’s Economy in 2022? (msn.com)

Russia Unable to Learn From Their Mistakes—Retired Lt. General (msn.com)

Grief, anger in Russia over troops killed by Ukraine strike (msn.com)

Op-Ed: The next stage of Russia's secular decline comes in 2023 (msn.com)

Moscow's military leadership is under fire after a Ukrainian HIMARS strike killed scores of Russian soldiers (msn.com)

Russian soldier gave away his position with geotagged social media posts (msn.com)

Isolated and humiliated, ‘rogue’ Russia tops list of 2023 geopolitical risks: Eurasia Group (msn.com)

Putin’s Wall Street pals, Democrats’ brand in tatters, and more commentary (msn.com)

Top Putin Propagandist Urges Russians to Embrace Death: ‘We’ll Go to Heaven’ (msn.com)

ISW: Air, missile campaign against Ukraine likely not generating Kremlin’s desired information effects among Russia’s nationalists (msn.com)

Russia's defence ministry says 89 killed in Makiivka, blames use of mobile phones (msn.com) It was the fault of the troops. Housing troops with an ammo dump is fine.

Russian Setbacks in Ukraine Set Tone for 2023 (msn.com)

Putin plans to talk to Turkish President Erdogan on Wednesday - Interfax (msn.com)
That NY Post article is pure fantasy. Trying to paint democrats at pro russian. Pretty ironic, since the last republican president was likely married to his FSB handler.
 

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And start the new year with this one - Here's an interesting article from the WSJ - quoted below as it is behind a paywall.

You may have already seen but this is THE best analysis yet on war in Ukraine and the need for a Ukrainian victory.

Wall Street Journal: Putin Wants Ukraine Back in the USSR

A hundred years ago, on Dec. 30, 1922, representatives of the “Ukrainian socialist republic” initiated a formal agreement with Russia and the republics of Belarus and Transcaucasia to create a new nation, the Soviet Union. The agreement was puzzling because Lenin had said repeatedly that the goal of socialism was the fusion of all nations, and his slogan was: “The proletariat has no fatherland.”

But agreement to a new country, which defined itself as a union of independent national republics each with the formal right to secede, was a tactical move to contain Ukrainian nationalism. It held together for 69 years. But it couldn’t last forever, because it was based on lies.

Today’s Russian spokesmen insist that Ukraine is an “artificial nation.” Yet the only artificial nation was the Soviet Union, which re-created the Russian Empire on the basis of socialism. Russians, Georgians, Ukrainians, Yakuts and Uzbeks were citizens of one country, but the only thing they shared was the false reality of communist ideology. When that ideology collapsed in 1991, the result was the emergence of 15 historical nations, including Russia and Ukraine.

The Soviets defined class as the motive force of history and subordinated national culture to ideology. Each Soviet republic had its own government and parliament, but their only responsibility was to carry out the edicts of the Communist Party leadership in Moscow. The regime promoted national languages and cultures, but everything that was printed or performed had to treat each nation’s history as an upward struggle that culminated in becoming part of the Soviet Union.

In the 1920s, the communists needed Ukrainian-speaking cadres to strengthen their position in Ukraine, which had been the scene of peasant uprisings in 1919. Ukrainian language instruction, Ukrainian newspapers and lectures to miners in Ukrainian all increased.

Nothing, however, could protect Ukraine from the horror that was visited on the Soviet Union as a whole and reached its apex with the creation of the Gulag, dekulakization (the destruction of the most industrious peasants) and the famine of 1932-33. The last was caused when the Soviet government confiscated grain to feed the cities and for export, imprisoned peasants in their villages and left millions to die from starvation. Ukraine, the agricultural breadbasket of the nation and a potential center of national resistance, suffered disproportionately. Of the seven million victims of the famine, more than half were in Ukraine.

For more than 50 years, it was forbidden to mention the famine, but with the accession of Mikhail Gorbachev in 1985 and the policy of glasnost, what had long been whispered began to be discussed openly. Memorial services were held in Ukrainian villages for the victims, and Rukh, the Ukrainian movement for national independence, used the memory of the famine to rally support for an independent Ukraine.

On Dec. 1, 1991, as the Soviet Union disintegrated, 90% of Ukrainian voters voted for independence. In the heavily ethnic Russian Donetsk oblast, almost 77% supported independence. In pro-Russian Crimea, the vote for independence was 54%. A week later, Boris Yeltsin, Leonid Kravchuk and Stanislav Shushkevich—respectively the leaders of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus—met at a lodge in Belarus’s Belovezh Forest and signed a statement certifying that the Soviet Union ceased to exist. Gorbachev resigned on Dec. 25, and the upper chamber of the Soviet Parliament, the Supreme Soviet, ratified the union’s dissolution the following day.

The birth of an independent Ukraine realized the national aspirations thwarted after the Bolshevik revolution. But there would be no peace for Ukraine, because the moral damage inflicted by the Soviet regime outlived it. That was particularly true in Russia, where property was seized by insiders, gangsters and ex-communist officials and the leaders used war to rally the population around a corrupt regime.

The First Chechen War, in 1994-96, was started, according to a high official, because President Yeltsin needed “a short, victorious war” to increase his approval rating. The Second Chechen War began after the bombing of Russian apartment buildings in 1999 that took some 300 lives. According to all evidence, the bombings were carried out by the Federal Security Service, or FSB. They were used to justify a new invasion of Chechnya, which made it possible for Vladimir Putin to become president.

In 2014 the seizure of Crimea and invasion of eastern Ukraine distracted Russians from the meaning of the democratic Maidan revolt in Kyiv. As a result of the annexation of Crimea, Mr. Putin’s popularity reached a high of 82%, and Russia was swept with chauvinistic euphoria. The present attack on Ukraine resulted from the perception of U.S. weakness after the withdrawal from Afghanistan and Mr. Putin’s desire to restore the “Crimea effect” that buoyed his regime for five years before beginning to wane.

Some foreign-policy “realists” in the U.S. blame the present war on the expansion of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, but Russia’s desire to dominate Ukraine isn’t new. On Aug. 27, 1991, while the Soviet Union still existed, Pavel Voshchanov, Yeltsin’s press secretary, warned that Russia would re-examine its borders with any republic that didn’t want to be part of a new union. There were reports in the Moscow press based on leaks that in the event of a conflict, the Russian leadership was considering tactical nuclear strikes against Ukraine. In 1993, well before the first expansion of NATO into the former Eastern Bloc in 1997, Russia was laying the groundwork for future aggression, defining as a threat to Russia “acts against the Russian population” in any neighboring country.

When the imaginary world of Soviet ideology collapsed, all that was left in Russia was rule by criminals and the drive to dominate Russia’s neighbors to guarantee their hold on power. It is against this background that we need to weigh support for Ukraine.

Russia’s inability to rid itself of the Soviet legacy is the underlying cause of the war. If Ukraine cedes territory, the Soviet imperialist mentality will survive intact. Russia’s defeat in the Crimean War (1853-56) led to the emancipation of the serfs, and defeat in the Russo-Japanese war (1904-05) led to Russia’s first constitution. We need to support a decisive Ukrainian victory to punish aggression—and to free Russia from the burden of its past.

David Satter is author of “Age of Delirium: the Decline and Fall of the Soviet Union.” He is an academic adviser to the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation.

David Satter - Foreign Policy Research Institute (fpri.org)
I'm surprised it jumped from the second Chechen to Ukraine without mentioning Georgia, yet another aggressive action from Russia.
 

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Ukraine claims to have destroyed a new Russian base in Zaporiyia causing 80 dead and wounded casualties (msn.com)

Leonid Gozman: Once Unthinkable, Capitulation Could Still Be Russia's Saving Grace (msn.com)

Ukraine Targets Russian Ammunition Depots as Wagner Group Advance Stalls (msn.com)

More Prominent Russians Are Starting To Speak Out Against The Kremlin's War Efforts (msn.com)

Putin Now Looks Like a Total Failure in Ukraine (msn.com)

Video shows moment of explosion at Russian ammo depot | Watch (msn.com)

Russia Counts Cost of Bloody Ukraine Winter (msn.com)

Russian Troops Trying to Advance 'Over Corpses' in Bakhmut—Kyiv General (msn.com)

Court convicts Russian spies who collected data on HIMARS, energy facilities. (msn.com)

US baffled by 'amount of Russian blood' Wagner Group has spilled to capture Bakhmut (msn.com)

Air defense downs Russian aircraft, helicopter, and drone on Jan. 4 (msn.com)

Putin Can’t Hide One Nightmare Fact: Ukraine Is Winning (msn.com)

Russian forces repel a counterattack by the Ukrainian Army in Donetsk (msn.com)

Putin operatives trying to turn Germans against Ukraine war: report (msn.com)

Russia Runs Out Of Hospital Beds For Wounded Soldiers As Vladimir Putin BLAMES TROOPS For Worst Loss Yet In War Against Ukraine (msn.com)

The little-known weapon knocking down Iranian drones over Kyiv (msn.com)

A war reporter decorated by Putin says the Kremlin's story that cellphones are why a lot of Russian troops died in a Ukrainian strike is 'not very convincing' (msn.com)

Criticism mounts in Russia as Ukrainian strike toll rises (msn.com)

Opinion | Ukraine Is Already Paying Us Back (msn.com)

Russia Has This Many Strikes Left as Kh-555 Cruise Missiles Run Out—Kyiv (msn.com)

NATO Can Thwart Secret Offensive in Ukraine, Ex-Russian Commander Warns (msn.com)

Vladimir Putin Deploys Warship Carrying Hypersonic Missiles To Ukraine After Russia Suffers DEVASTATING LOSS Of 3,000 Troops In Four Days (msn.com)

Russia's 'Unprofessional Practices' Made Ukraine Strike More Deadly: U.K. (msn.com)

Wagner Group Pins Blame on Russian MoD for Stalled Bakhmut Campaign—ISW (msn.com)

CNN Exclusive: A single Iranian attack drone found to contain parts from more than a dozen US companies (msn.com)

Russia Deploying Units to Crimea as Ukraine Eyes Black Sea Peninsula—Kyiv (msn.com)

Ukraine Shares Message From 'Captain HIMARS' Directed at Putin's Soldiers (msn.com)

Ukraine’s About To Get French Scout ‘Tanks’—And A New Way Of Exploiting Gaps In Russian Lines (msn.com)

Journalists identify 4 Russians operating Iranian-made drones in Ukraine (msn.com)

Russia's Military Leadership Feels Pressure From Makiivka Fallout (msn.com)

Ukraine claims to have destroyed a new Russian base in Zaporiyia causing 80 dead and wounded casualties (msn.com)
 

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Ukraine spy chief warns of strikes 'deeper and deeper' into Russia (msn.com)

Bakhmut Sees 22 Clashes in One Day as Wagner Campaign Grows Desperate—ISW (msn.com)

‘Don’t Rape Any Broads’: Putin’s Chef Releases Prison Fighters (msn.com) Go forth and rape and pillage

Anger in Russia After Prisoners Called up to War Released Back Into Society (msn.com) The natives aren’t happy

Major fire tears through factory in latest mysterious blaze to hit Russia (msn.com)

Western tanks seen key to Ukraine battlefield breakthrough (msn.com)

Belarus denounces «provocative acts» by armed Ukrainian military on the border (msn.com)

Putin Knows His War in Ukraine Is Falling Apart Fast (msn.com)

Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia (msn.com)

Race to overthrow Putin and take crown has begun, says former loyalist (msn.com)

Russia Has a New Plane Problem (msn.com)

General Staff: Ukraine hits multiple Russian personnel concentration areas on Jan. 4 (msn.com)

Opinion: With Russia's fading power in Ukraine, a second catastrophe looms (msn.com)

Ukrainian citizen uprising is the war Russia didn’t see coming (msn.com)

U.S. thinks Putin ally Prigozhin wants control of salt, gypsum from mines near Bakhmut (msn.com)

Dozens of Moscow Officials Resigned Over Putin's War: Ex-Russian Diplomat (msn.com)

5% of U.S. Defense Budget Destroyed 50% of Russia’s Military in Ukraine (msn.com)

Hear why Putin ordered a temporary truce in Ukraine | Watch (msn.com)

Putin is 'terminally ill with cancer,' claims Ukraine's spy chief (msn.com)

Russia's Propaganda Is More Persuasive Than We Think | Opinion (msn.com) Prime examples are Hindustan Times, which might as well be Pravda or RT and WION, which is a lot more subtle.

Breaking ranks, Macron’s gift of tanks to Ukraine puts western alliance under pressure to give Zelenskyy what he wants (msn.com)

Kremlin doubts Kyiv truce rejection reflects Zelenskiy's view (msn.com)

Russia's ceasefire stunt deserves Ukraine's disregard (msn.com)

Ukraine war latest: Putin says he wants 36-hour ceasefire, Zelensky says Russia doesn't want real truce (msn.com)

Ukraine is getting Western armored vehicles as US, Germany, and France agree to send more firepower its way (msn.com)

General Staff: Russian troops focus efforts on capturing Donetsk Oblast (msn.com)

Russian Teen May Face Years in Jail for Reposting Criticism of Putin's War (msn.com)

Putin tells Erdogan: Ukraine must accept loss of territories for there to be dialogue (msn.com)

Kyiv: What America Got Wrong About Russia’s Threat (msn.com)

Wagner PMC founder wants to send women to fight in Ukraine (msn.com)

Russian Bomb With Mysterious Range-Extending Wing Kit Emerges (msn.com)

Ukraine Blasts Putin’s Christmas Cease-Fire Proposal as ‘Cynical Trap’ (msn.com)

Erdogan Pushes Putin for 'Fair Solution' as Kremlin Refuses to Budge (msn.com)

Seven Months On, Russia's Only Diplomat to Publicly Quit Over the Ukraine War Has Time on his Hands (msn.com)

Zelensky and Biden say Russia's invasion is approaching crucial turning point (msn.com)

Why America’s 'misogynist incels' adore Vladimir Putin and 'modern-day Russian fascism': journalist (msn.com)

Ukrainian soldiers take a break at rehab centre | Watch (msn.com)

Here's how Ukraine could use the Bradley Fighting Vehicles it's getting from the US, experts say (msn.com)

Ukraine Throws Cold Water on Putin's Cease-Fire (msn.com)

Ukraine Calls Putin’s Ceasefire a Trap (and Looks Like a Scam) (msn.com)

Biden says Putin looking for ‘oxygen’ with 36-hour cease-fire (msn.com)
 

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This is why I roll my eyes at conservatives whining over cost of supporting Ukraine. It's been an absolute bargain. Check the receipts from the "war on terror" that we lost, because conservatives made it a war against Islam and Iraq.

It's also a huge win for the US. It gives China pause, as they're seeing the superiority of western weapon systems and command and control.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=085618b017d2479aad844b8ce306588f
 

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CNN: Pentagon considers training Ukrainian soldiers on Patriot in US (msn.com)

'Sacred goal': Russia paints Ukraine assault in spiritual terms (msn.com)

Russian marching orders found in belongings of top Kherson collaborator Saldo (msn.com)

Putin on the brink of ‘being toppled’ as Russia in crisis (msn.com)

Vladimir Putin's Troops Using Bodies Of Dead Soldiers 'Like Makeshift Walls' To Protect Against Ukrainian Forces (msn.com)

Kremlin-ordered truce is uncertain amid suspicion of motives (msn.com)

Ukraine cease-fire ends, Russia’s obsession with Bakhmut explained | Watch (msn.com)

Russia denounces Ukrainian attack on Donetsk just as unilateral ceasefire begins (msn.com)

Vladimir Putin: This woman could be one of the most powerful in his inner circle (msn.com)

'Sea Sparrow' Missiles Compared to Ukraine's Current Air Defense Options (msn.com)

Sea Sparrow RIM-7 Surface-To-Air Missiles Are Headed To Ukraine (msn.com)

Putin wasted his leverage over Europe, which no longer relies on Russia for gas, German minister says (msn.com)

On Energy, Putin's Back Is Against the Wall | Opinion (msn.com)

Ukrainian president tells Russian troops to 'take the toilet bowls' and leave (msn.com) Like it said in the article – very similar to what Russians did in Europe – my mother recalls them taking brass doorknobs because they thought they were gold and pulled phones off the walls thinking they could just take them home and they’ll work.

Meet All The Heavily Armored Western Combat Vehicles Ukraine Is Getting (msn.com)

Putin war aims unchanged but lacks manpower, morale -Pentagon (msn.com)

With Ex-German Marder Fighting Vehicles, Ukrainian Infantry Can Keep Up With The Tanks (msn.com)

Russia may call up another 500K troops, Ukraine intelligence official claims (msn.com)

Medvedev says Ukraine ‘rejects hand of Christian compassion’ in opposing Christmas truce (msn.com)

Media locate alleged training ground of Russian drone operators (msn.com)

Shaman Predicts Alaska and California Will Become Part of Russia (msn.com) From what I can tell, California is almost there already.

Russia’s T-14 Armata: The ‘Super’ Tank That Flopped in Ukraine? (msn.com)

Russia warns Germany that sending tanks to Ukraine could further aggravate conflict (msn.com) which reminds me of this picture (which I had planned for tomorrow, so there might not be a picture then)

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This is why I roll my eyes at conservatives whining over cost of supporting Ukraine. It's been an absolute bargain. Check the receipts from the "war on terror" that we lost, because conservatives made it a war against Islam and Iraq.

It's also a huge win for the US. It gives China pause, as they're seeing the superiority of western weapon systems and command and control.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=085618b017d2479aad844b8ce306588f


I’ve been repeating this over and over.

Most people also don’t consider the post-service benefits we pay our veterans. Education, healthcare, disability compensation, etc. it all comes from tax payers.

We’ve put in, what $70 billion, and grossly diminished the war fighting capability of one of our biggest adversaries. All while causing our other one to take a long hard look at their obsolete/ineffective weapons.

People forget how much it cost the US the last time we ushered in the failure of Russian influence. We are getting a hell of a ROI on this one.
 

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What does facial recognition software make of Putin’s backdrop crowd? (msn.com)

Putin Won’t Back Off Demanding a Chunk of Ukraine (msn.com)

Putin’s changing generals fails to fix Russia’s military performance in Ukraine (msn.com)

Strikes in east Ukraine despite Putin's ceasefire order (msn.com)

Estonian intelligence: Russia never stopped mobilization drive (msn.com)

Ukrainian Forces Face Being Surrounded by Wagner Troops in Bakhmut—ISW (msn.com)

Putin avoids Russia blame game -- for now -- after Ukraine attack (msn.com)

Putin’s Plan Failed: Ukraine Ceasefire Never Happened (msn.com)

Russia's war on Ukraine latest: Fighting follows Moscow's truce (msn.com)

Vladimir Putin spends Orthodox Christmas service alone in Kremlin (msn.com)

Ukraine war news – live: Putin praises Russian Orthodox Church for supporting war (msn.com)

Putin's War Plan Reaching 'Critical Moment'—Ukraine Ambassador (msn.com)

Zelenskyy urges Russian citizens to oppose war after rejecting Putin ceasefire: 'end your state's aggression' (msn.com)

General Staff: Ukraine's military repels Russian attacks near 14 settlements (msn.com)

Ukrainian Troops Will Start Patriot Missile Training Later This Month (msn.com)

Russian mercenary boss says he wants Ukraine's Bakhmut for its 'underground cities' (msn.com)

How to Make Putin Pay: Give Ukraine Weapons to Hit Russian Arms Factories (msn.com)

Russia Losses in Ukraine Surpass New Milestone (msn.com)

Moscow Sees Growing 'Split in Power' Amid Putin's War: Ex-Russian Commander (msn.com)

Ukrainian border guards repel Russian attack near Bakhmut (msn.com)

Ukrainian army says it still controls Soledar despite Russian assaults. (msn.com)

Russia's war on Ukraine latest: more shellfire around Bakhmut (msn.com)

Vladimir Putin Orders Children As Young As Four To March In Military Uniforms In Desperate Bid To Drum Up Support For Ukraine War (msn.com)

Russia plans to mobilize 500,000 soldiers in days. If they don't deliver victory, then 'Putin will collapse,' says Ukrainian spy chief. (msn.com)

Shelling of Bakhmut Killed Civilians Despite Putin's Christmas Truce—Kyiv (msn.com)

UK Defense Ministry: Fighting continued at ‘routine level’ despite Russia’s supposed ceasefire over Orthodox Christmas (msn.com)

Russia may blow up dam in Luhansk Oblast to slow Ukrainian advance (msn.com)

Zelenski accuses Moscow for its «false words» on «alleged cease-fire». (msn.com)

General Staff: Russia launches attacks despite Kremlin’s supposed ‘Christmas truce' (msn.com)

Wagner’s Desensitized Prison Fighters Keep Staggering Into Bakhmut Like This Is a Zombie Apocalypse (msn.com)
 

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I’ve been repeating this over and over.

Most people also don’t consider the post-service benefits we pay our veterans. Education, healthcare, disability compensation, etc. it all comes from tax payers.

We’ve put in, what $70 billion, and grossly diminished the war fighting capability of one of our biggest adversaries. All while causing our other one to take a long hard look at their obsolete/ineffective weapons.

People forget how much it cost the US the last time we ushered in the failure of Russian influence. We are getting a hell of a ROI on this one.
Absolutely. I was just having this discussion a few days ago with someone from the Hill complaining about the cost of the support to Ukraine.

In addition to the materiel cost, there is the manpower that we aren't considering. On average, the average cost to recruit and train a new soldier (up to when they get to their first unit) is somewhere between $65k and $95k. In addition, there is the roughly $15k of equipment for each soldier - so round it down to $100k.

The average Chinese soldier is issued $1500 in equipment and training costs are estimated at being under $5k
Today, the average Russian soldier (prisoner) is given about $500 in equipment and a week's worth of training.

If Ukraine would lose because they had no equipment, then we'd have to still send the same weapons along with our troops.
 
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