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Ukraine: WAR Huh - What Is It Good For Absorootly Nothing

dtfd

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So they definitely got help from a third party and are using "temperature inversion" to explain away how they definitely DIDN'T get help. ;);)

I know I've brought this up before but.......why? Why trade for her at all, especially trade a arms dealer for a WNBA player who brought drugs into a country where those drugs are illegal. I understand to some degree the idea that it is a government's job to protect its citizens at home and abroad but this trade just doesn't make any sense. Unless you consider that an arms dealer has plenty of cash and plenty of palms were likely greased to make this happen on both ends of the table. Too bad for Whelan he doesn't have a great layup or black market money.
 

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So they definitely got help from a third party and are using "temperature inversion" to explain away how they definitely DIDN'T get help. ;);)


I know I've brought this up before but.......why? Why trade for her at all, especially trade a arms dealer for a WNBA player who brought drugs into a country where those drugs are illegal. I understand to some degree the idea that it is a government's job to protect its citizens at home and abroad but this trade just doesn't make any sense. Unless you consider that an arms dealer has plenty of cash and plenty of palms were likely greased to make this happen on both ends of the table. Too bad for Whelan he doesn't have a great layup or black market money.
Why? Look at the makeup and "woke" goals of the current administration. Combine that with the media attention and Putin created the perfect storm for him to get Bout back.

Many years ago, I worked as liaison to a team that planned prisoner swaps and this wasn't the way to do it.
 

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Corprin

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So they definitely got help from a third party and are using "temperature inversion" to explain away how they definitely DIDN'T get help. ;);)


I know I've brought this up before but.......why? Why trade for her at all, especially trade a arms dealer for a WNBA player who brought drugs into a country where those drugs are illegal. I understand to some degree the idea that it is a government's job to protect its citizens at home and abroad but this trade just doesn't make any sense. Unless you consider that an arms dealer has plenty of cash and plenty of palms were likely greased to make this happen on both ends of the table. Too bad for Whelan he doesn't have a great layup or black market money.

Why are people upset that Griner getting selected over Whelan for the exchange?

On edit. Looks like they were trying to get both, Russia said no for Whelan… but my previous question still stands. Why is everyone upset.
 
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uglybastard

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Why are people upset that Griner getting selected over Whelan for the exchange?

On edit. Looks like they were trying to get both, Russia said no for Whelan… but my previous question still stands. Why is everyone upset.
As I understand it they wanted somebody else released for the guy
 

uglybastard

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Why is everyone upset.
They're upset because we were able to get a pot smoking athlete out of trouble and there are American citizen with military ties (less than honorable discharge btw) who's being charged with espionage is still in prison. It's the optics of priorities, with a dash of a variant of "missing white woman"
 

Corprin

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They're upset because we were able to get a pot smoking athlete out of trouble and there are American citizen with military ties (less than honorable discharge btw) who's being charged with espionage is still in prison. It's the optics of priorities, with a dash of a variant of "missing white woman"


Ex-marine, bad conduct discharge, he gets negative points.
 

cb1111

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There's a lot more that goes into the equation that people are overlooking. With this deal, Putin got exactly what he wanted - he showed how "woke" the west is (whether or not that is true) AND he got his guy back.

That wouldn't have happened with Whelan.

It was a very bad move.
 

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Corprin

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There's a lot more that goes into the equation that people are overlooking. With this deal, Putin got exactly what he wanted - he showed how "woke" the west is (whether or not that is true) AND he got his guy back.

That wouldn't have happened with Whelan.

It was a very bad move.


Shoulda left all three rot in jail.


Back on topic.

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