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fuelboss

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GTI MK7.5 DSG

fuelboss

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United Kingdom & Portugal
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GTI MK7.5 DSG
Is that 80 quid for a pair !? Be interested to know what you think, particular for me would be road noise or vibration or feedback feel changes.


Marca why haven't you fitted them? If you have the rattle then fitting the Bilsteins will cure the issue. Don't worry about road noise, vibration etc. All you will notice is the absence of the rattle. There is no downside to fitting these I can assure you.
 

silverhead

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edinburgh
Is that 80 quid for a pair !? Be interested to know what you think, particular for me would be road noise or vibration or feedback feel changes.

Yes £80 for the pair.it's the log rolling noise when going over certain road surfaces and speed bumps that i want to eliminate.,yet strangely when i drive over edinburgh's cobbled roads i do not hear the noise.maybe the cabin noise in the car when driving over cobbles masks the log rolling noise.:).i also feel road noise in this car is a lot noisier than i anticipated.i will report after driving the car for a day or two.
 

MarcA

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Sheffield
Yes £80 for the pair.it's the log rolling noise when going over certain road surfaces and speed bumps that i want to eliminate.,yet strangely when i drive over edinburgh's cobbled roads i do not hear the noise.maybe the cabin noise in the car when driving over cobbles masks the log rolling noise.:).i also feel road noise in this car is a lot noisier than i anticipated.i will report after driving the car for a day or two.
Cheers. Yes am aware of as you describe mine is the same. The current revision of sachs I have fitted are better but not great and are exactly like yours. I find the road noise increased after changing the shocks to the current ones and hoping this will also change for the better when fitting the bilsteins. Cheers for the link by the way that's cheapest I've seen. Have you re received them yet ?
 

marvin1

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I find my MK7 noisier than my MK6 and have to think that this is down to the MQB platform and the weight savings everywhere. The doors, hatchback lid etc all feel lighter and wonder whether noise suppression from the road/suspension has suffered as a result. I even wasted money dumping the stock tyres after only one month's use and fitted Michelin Primacy 3 tyres - all to no avail, however.
 

silverhead

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Seems kosher enough.will let you know how i get on on tuesday.
 
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lucyfek

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IL USA
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I've not replaced any parts but - after noticing rattle (now that's getting colder) I pulled the plastic piece off the top of the rear hatch (right below the 3rd stop light) and applied thin layer of adhesive window foam seal to the lip that appeared to have potential to vibrate against the body. I did the same in "strategic" locations on the warning triangle holder and removable side pockets/dividers in the hatch. Also, some of taillight contacts had enough play so got the same treatment. Also, the driver side rear ABS cable may rattle against the car body. Same "fix". Fuel line - bottom of the vehicle, evap and drain lines on the passenger side may also be the source of rattles. I've found no issues with shocks themselves. Much better now.
It's a stiff car so rattles will be present on rough roads (we're not Cadillac crowd, right?) but the same tweaks would greatly benefit plain Golf 1.8T.
 
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silverhead

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Well got the bilstein rear shocks fitted this morning and..................silence is golden☺.Drove the car over the speed bumps which produced the log rolling sounds.Nada,nil,zero noise.Total cost of silence=shocks and fitting £170.So if you suffer from the aforementioned "log"noise in the rear get the bilsteins fitted asap.Many thanks to fuelboss for this solution.Will update if any change in noise after say a weeks driving over the bumps.It's early days yet but i do not expect the noise to return going by fuelboss's experience..What amazes me is vw acknowledged the noise is apparent in numerous peoples cars yet laughingly describe it as a "characteristic"of the car.Fuelboss and numerous other people had their shocks changed(i think 4 times w/fuelboss) by vw and the noise returned very quickly.Did nobody at vw after being told the new shocks that were installed were as bad as the previous one's supplied not think"why do we not try another supplier (bilstein,koni)instead of oem sachs to see if they are a solution to the problem.Pretty poor problem solving process by vw in my estimation.
 

fuelboss

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GTI MK7.5 DSG
Well got the bilstein rear shocks fitted this morning and..................silence is golden☺.Drove the car over the speed bumps which produced the log rolling sounds.Nada,nil,zero noise.Total cost of silence=shocks and fitting £170.So if you suffer from the aforementioned "log"noise in the rear get the bilsteins fitted asap.Many thanks to fuelboss for this solution.Will update if any change in noise after say a weeks driving over the bumps.It's early days yet but i do not expect the noise to return going by fuelboss's experience..What amazes me is vw acknowledged the noise is apparent in numerous peoples cars yet laughingly describe it as a "characteristic"of the car.Fuelboss and numerous other people had their shocks changed(i think 4 times w/fuelboss) by vw and the noise returned very quickly.Did nobody at vw after being told the new shocks that were installed were as bad as the previous one's supplied not think"why do we not try another supplier (bilstein,koni)instead of oem sachs to see if they are a solution to the problem.Pretty poor problem solving process by vw in my estimation.

Happy days are here again for you. I am pleased they have done the job as I expected they would. No more worries as these will not let you down.

VW would and never will admit to this issue as no doubt they might have to do a re-call if enough customers got wind of this. My belief is that the same shock absorbers are used across the MK7 range despite being given a different part number by VW. I also believe they are fitted in other VW models. In fact I have seen a Passat with 15k miles on the ramps where the Sachs shock absorbers were thumped by a technicians hand and what a rattle they made. Due to better sound-proofing on that model any suspension noise may not have been heard. The problem with the Golf is that under the boot floor there is very little sound deadening and in fact there is bare metal.

VW have use these Sachs shock aborbers on probably all of their vehicles and they would not want to bin those in favour of another manufacturer despite knowing but not admitting that the Sachs were poorly manufactured and were the prime cause of the noise. VWUK and its dealers acted in a pretty idiotic way for a couple of years over this issue and continue to do so by often changing almost everything on the rear end without actually curing the fault. How thick can they be when it is now clearly proven that fitting another make of shock absorber cures the problem once and for all.

VWUK and my dealer know very well that when I first brought to their attention that the Sachs had a problem with a loose piston rod that was without doubt the cause of the complaint they should have listened and accepted that I was correct. VW would not even examine my shock absorbers after I offered them the opportunity. Words cant express how I feel about VWUK, its so-called Customer Care dept, Mr Brian Kattenberg and his bullshit and its technical representative who met with me just once and then decided to change the parts again and again. I am not a motor technician or an engineer. I am a person who applied common sense, logic and a practical ability to resolve a problem. It appears VW does not posses those attributes but in reality they just could not care less.

May you now enjoy the car as it should be enjoyed.
 

silverhead

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MarcA

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Sheffield
Mine are ordered and dealer prepped to fit. Had to change both rear tyres recently due to weird oval type wear ..4 mm on one side of the tyre and 1mm on the other. Not width ways ! so it's getting new shocks and fully 4 wheel alignment done at same time to be on the safe side.. typically the car is quiet again at the minute! Hopefully feel like a new car again in a week or two.
The reason I asked about the road noise and vibrations as I'm certain going from 1st gen sachs rears to 4th gem that I have now has resulted in harder ride and increased road noise. May look at sound proofing the boot as that looks quite easy to do from other audio posts I have seen on here.. most noise seems to come from rear wheel Wells.
 

yo_marc

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Been watching this thread - Lot of good info in it. What really caught my eye was the description of the rear shock noise as "loose lumber".

Since new, the rear shocks in my GTI have always been a bit harsh. If I hit a speedbump or any rough cobble-stone like roads at too high of a speed, I have what sounds like "loose lumber" rolling around the floor of the hatch area. A very brief noise, but noticeable. If I take care, its not there.

I've been wondering if its my cargo-mat with the plastic velcro things jumping up and down. Or the tire-toolkit. Or the entire wooden rear floor assembly itself. I've been shuffling things around here and there but still get the noise on occasion.

Does this sound like the issues you guys in the UK are/were experiencing?

There is more I can do to confirm on my end. Just kinda tossing this info out there to see what you think.
 

fuelboss

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GTI MK7.5 DSG
Been watching this thread - Lot of good info in it. What really caught my eye was the description of the rear shock noise as "loose lumber".

Since new, the rear shocks in my GTI have always been a bit harsh. If I hit a speedbump or any rough cobble-stone like roads at too high of a speed, I have what sounds like "loose lumber" rolling around the floor of the hatch area. A very brief noise, but noticeable. If I take care, its not there.

I've been wondering if its my cargo-mat with the plastic velcro things jumping up and down. Or the tire-toolkit. Or the entire wooden rear floor assembly itself. I've been shuffling things around here and there but still get the noise on occasion.

Does this sound like the issues you guys in the UK are/were experiencing?

There is more I can do to confirm on my end. Just kinda tossing this info out there to see what you think.

Take everything out of the rear and see if the noise is still there. Often the shock absorber noise can be described as a knock, tap, rattle.

See my website www.vwgolfmk7problems.uk and take a look at the YouTube videos as this might help. The shock absorber problems really only shows up at lower speeds when travelling over humps and bumps, potholes, ruts and ridges etc etc. At high speed you probably would not hear the fault. Its at the lower speed when it really irritates.
 
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yo_marc

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Good advice about unloading everythign; that's what I'd look to do to confirm the noise. I'll probably poke at it this weekend.

My statement about higher speeds might have been misleading -- it's say its noticeable under 20mph, typically. The noise is present if I don't take due care on rougher roads or obstacles.
 
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