Strange Mud
Autocross Champion
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why not the mini-quad?Trying to get my wife into a minivan soon so I hope this is true
why not the mini-quad?Trying to get my wife into a minivan soon so I hope this is true
I couldn't disagree more. There will be at least 3-4 significant Fed rate hikes in the next year, at least 50 basis points each, and that may not be enough to turn this inflation spiral around and get it back to the pre-pandemic 2% target in a reasonable amount of time. The last time we went through this, 30 year fixed mortgage rates were at 17%, making the Fed rate around 15%. We are nowhere near that now. With higher rates comes decreased demand that drives pricing down. Most people here are smart enough not to leverage the shit out of themselves to buy a car, but I can't say the same for the rest of America. They don't think cost, they think payments.The majority of the rate hikes are over with smaller adjustments possible, from what I’ve heard. I’m not an economist so take it with a grain of salt.
Can't really compare the present to the past though. House prices are 3X+ to what they used to be. The rate will not be 15%. 4.5-5.5%, yes. This is going to end quicker than most think (just my view). People are already running out of money - pockets tighten - we're out of this by EOY 2023. 2023 will be rough for a lot of people.I couldn't disagree more. There will be at least 3-4 significant Fed rate hikes in the next year, at least 50 basis points each, and that may not be enough to turn this inflation spiral around and get it back to the pre-pandemic 2% target in a reasonable amount of time. The last time we went through this, 30 year fixed mortgage rates were at 17%, making the Fed rate around 15%. We are nowhere near that now. With higher rates comes decreased demand that drives pricing down. Most people here are smart enough not to leverage the shit out of themselves to buy a car, but I can't say the same for the rest of America. They don't think cost, they think payments.
The market for everything except essentials is definitely softening. Vehicles that are not in high demand like GTI's, for sure. I haven't seen any real price drops for in demand vehicles like Mercedes Sprinter vans, for example.
Sure, Sir you sound like you know what you’re talking about. I do hope that we have learned from our past and that the interest rates don’t go sky high. I think we’ve been taught to think in terms of terms of payments, for obvious reasons.I couldn't disagree more. There will be at least 3-4 significant Fed rate hikes in the next year, at least 50 basis points each, and that may not be enough to turn this inflation spiral around and get it back to the pre-pandemic 2% target in a reasonable amount of time. The last time we went through this, 30 year fixed mortgage rates were at 17%, making the Fed rate around 15%. We are nowhere near that now. With higher rates comes decreased demand that drives pricing down. Most people here are smart enough not to leverage the shit out of themselves to buy a car, but I can't say the same for the rest of America. They don't think cost, they think payments.
The market for everything except essentials is definitely softening. Vehicles that are not in high demand like GTI's, for sure. I haven't seen any real price drops for in demand vehicles like Mercedes Sprinter vans, for example.
That's what I paid for my 2016 in November of 2019. It was a bit high but I was okay with it for a low mileage, manual 2dr. This one looks to be on the higher side of mileage, and a few years older given the time... but I still think the price is trending in the right direction.
But everything was more expensive to buy then too. The only scenario that truly worked out for people is if they could sell their car and go without a replacement until the market softens.
I fully agree, at least not any time soon, if at all. My point was just that a 2017 Sport with 90k miles for $17k is not showing the market is softening lol.
Yup 22.5K for my brand new 2016 GTI S in 2016. Was such a steal compared to everything you see now.Back in 2015 I paid like $23k for my brand new GTI. Good times..
Very interesting info, especially the last couple of minutes.