Oil Loyalty

[tigeo]

Here are all the used oil analysis data I've collected on my GSW since new. Enjoy for whatever value it brings you (or doesn't). Table and graph. In the table, orange highlighted cells weren't included in the simple stats b/c the values indicated it was still breaking in. Red cells are outside of 1 SD for the given value and "significant" to me. Green are the other way, on the "good side" by a SD. The HPL has a increased Si value new so I accounted for that by backing out some based on a new oil sample I ran. Finally, last sample was a mid-change sample as I'm running this oil until Nov/Dec.

 

[scrllock]

Here are all the used oil analysis data I've collected on my GSW since new. Enjoy for whatever value it brings you (or doesn't). Table and graph. In the table, orange highlighted cells weren't included in the simple stats b/c the values indicated it was still breaking in. Red cells are outside of 1 SD for the given value and "significant" to me. Green are the other way, on the "good side" by a SD. The HPL has a increased Si value new so I accounted for that by backing out some based on a new oil sample I ran. Finally, last sample was a mid-change sample as I'm running this oil until Nov/Dec.

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you run e30 right? the general trend I've seen across ea888 UOAs is that ethanol is the main contributor to wear, much more than usage or oil choice. david's results are impressive but given the APR tune and autocross rules, I assume his motor sees minimal E. I don't know if you tracked fuel usage with those reports, but I think it's an important control.

 

[tigeo]

you run e30 right? the general trend I've seen across ea888 UOAs is that ethanol is the main contributor to wear, much more than usage or oil choice. david's results are impressive but given the APR tune and autocross rules, I assume his motor sees minimal E. I don't know if you tracked fuel usage with those reports, but I think it's an important control.

I've run a bit of E over the last 4 years, mainly E 20 or so with the IS38 but not every tank and mainly in the winter months vs. summer. My trends are more likely related to the mechanical upgrades/repairs than anything else based on the data but overall wear metals/1000K mi could certainly be impacted by the bit of ethanol I have run. Still very low wear numbers on mine for the use.

 

[ChristopherNeil]

Not titling this thread Loilty is a missed opportunity.

 

[geokilla]

It's not really crazy. The approvals are nice, they make it easy to know/understand which oil to use and what specifications/tests were done and what they mean for your engine vs. any ol' SAE grade of XYZ brand. It's not like these Euro oils with approvals are hard to find or get.

That's because you're American. In Canada, it was nearly impossible to buy a jug (5 X 946mL bottles or 4.73L jugs) of VW 508/509 for under $100 + tax. Only recently did Canadian Tire start carrying a jug of VW 508/509. Now instead of costing my friend $120 + tax for DIY oil changes, it now costs him $60 + tax.

My other friend got a new Toyota RAV4 and he did an oil change on Monday. Dealership wanted $140 + tax as the engine uses 0W16. I referred him to my shop and it cost still cost him $110 because despite supplying his own oil that he bought on sale. Supposedly there's a shop that'll do oil changes for $65 and they use Motul but I call BS on that. Oil changes take about 30 minutes to 45 minutes. Add in an OEM filter and the cost of Motul oil at bulk prices, there's no way they're breaking even.

 

[kyLman]

Define "works well with it" vs. any other oils.

Blackstone labs are easy to find on google, friend. I also have my own blackstone lab reports from running T6 in the aforementioned 3 series, lawn mower, etc.

Are you usually protecting your ego on internet forums?

 

[kyLman]

The car didn't blow up, this oil is the best!







The reality is people shouldn't have an opinion unless they regularly send their oil in for an analysis.
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Everyone has a butthole, and an opinion. However, you shouldnt share both of them if they both stink.

I have lab reports from using T6 in 325i, lawn mower, Yammie R6, etc. But please go on - you need more internet points! I'd hate for your ego to feel challenged.

 

[jay745]

Everyone has a butthole, and an opinion. However, you shouldnt share both of them if they both stink.

I have lab reports from using T6 in 325i, lawn mower, Yammie R6, etc. But please go on - you need more internet points! I'd hate for your ego to feel challenged.

Firstly, blow me. Tiego and I were clearly being sarcastic and it's obvious. If you can't recognize that you shouldn't be on the Internet. Tiego and I have both done extensive Blackstone tests and that's why we're commenting on the random comments about one oil being better than others with no lab reports.

 

[tigeo]

Blackstone labs are easy to find on google, friend. I also have my own blackstone lab reports from running T6 in the aforementioned 3 series, lawn mower, etc.

Are you usually protecting your ego on internet forums?

Did you not see the massive amount of Blackstone data I posted in post #76? I'm aware of how this works and why I asked the question. Can you tell which oil worked better or worse in that mountain of data? It's a variety of different oils as I stated.

My question still stands - what specifically in your BS reports indicates that T6 did any better than any other oil would have in your car/mower/etc.? BTW, I don't think T6 is a bad oil, it's just nothing special and there are better choices in a 40 grade for the same/similar price based on the approvals those oils carry and what they mean w/r to how these oil perform in your gasoline engine. I can run about any oil in my car and the BS reports will look the same/similar w/r to wear metal rates.

 

[scrllock]

Blackstone labs are easy to find on google, friend. I also have my own blackstone lab reports from running T6 in the aforementioned 3 series, lawn mower, etc.

the only thing those are good for is knowing if your oil is in spec for prolonging usage.

the proper way to evaluate engine wear is to tear it down and inspect. I've had samples sent in where the filter was full of bearing glitter and blackstone said nope, all fine here.

diesel oil is not designed for a gas engine seeing significantly more RPM and slosh than diesel engines. of course a grandma-driven 3-series probably doesn't know the difference.

 

[Diggs24]

What a scam. Has anyone ever gotten a bad analysis? I need to start up one of these companies. Make bank giving you a sheet of random numbers and a chatGP statement about how great your car is so you can masturbate to it. Maybe instead of candy send you a pack of tissues and a packet of lube with every report.

 

[tmw2442]

Anyone tried speeddiagnostix? Could possibly be another option instead of blackstone. https://www.speediagnostix.com/

 

[tigeo]

Anyone tried speeddiagnostix? Could possibly be another option instead of blackstone. https://www.speediagnostix.com/

There are others. BS just is popular. Turn around time is horrible.

 

[tigeo]

What a scam. Has anyone ever gotten a bad analysis? I need to start up one of these companies. Make bank giving you a sheet of random numbers and a chatGP statement about how great your car is so you can masturbate to it. Maybe instead of candy send you a pack of tissues and a packet of lube with every report.

Well that escalated quickly haha. Here's one when my timing chain tensioner bolts broke. My theory as to why there are no bad reports? B/c folks that do this are almost always over-maintainers and are doing v. short interval changes relative to what the oil can actually do so of course they are always good...it should show folks that you can go a lot longer on modern oils than the typical "bro, I did a few roll race pulls so better change my oil stat". If that's the case/5K changes, don't bother with these unless you think there is an issue like I found here.

 

[cb1111]

There are billions of threads on this topic on every car site. What is important is that each quality oil that meets specs will behave mostly the same. You won't find that Mobil will be worse than Shell or whatever - and it is impossible that anyone can tell a performance difference.

Years ago I "created" an oil on the BMW forum. It was a mix of kung PAO chicken, maple syrup and (for BMW) a splash of Paulaner (replaced by the local beer in Ingolstadt [for Audi], Stuttgart {Porsche] Wolfsburg [VW] etc.). We actually poured that into an old engine and it ran.