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bentin

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The SI section on Honda's website gives far less info (literally one sentence saying it comes with a turbo, a manual and will be "exceptionally fun") than the MK8 section on VW's (which gives starting prices, colors, actual power figures, displacement, tech updates like the heads up display, safety features, etc)... neither is configurable.

https://automobiles.honda.com/future-cars/2022-civic-si

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https://newsroom.vw.com/vehicles/ke...e-in-the-2022-volkswagen-golf-gti-and-golf-r/
But the Mk8 came out a year ago and international deliveries began over six months ago. VW USA is just now getting around to even acknowledging that. The Canadian site was updated months ago. VW USA just doesn't care about the website, we went through the same thing when we had a deposit down on the dual motor ID4, no information about the car was available until after deliveries were occurring and we'd canceled our order. I realize that this is a double edged sword, I know better than to be an early adopter with VW, but I'm also annoyed that they don't want to tell us about new products.
 

Fastlax16

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But the Mk8 came out a year ago and international deliveries began over six months ago. VW USA is just now getting around to even acknowledging that. The Canadian site was updated months ago. VW USA just doesn't care about the website, we went through the same thing when we had a deposit down on the dual motor ID4, no information about the car was available until after deliveries were occurring and we'd canceled our order. I realize that this is a double edged sword, I know better than to be an early adopter with VW, but I'm also annoyed that they don't want to tell us about new products.

You're bitching that VW didn't put out a fluffy front page that read something along the lines "the MK8 GTI will be a fun to drive turbocharged sports car" with one shitty photoshopped image?

The link I included has far more information than is available for the SI and the GTI is still months away from being available. Put down a deposit on an SI if you're so impressed with it based on Honda's website. It's supposedly getting here next month, not that you'd know from Honda's site. The GTI is further from availability and has a more comprehensive section on VWs website, but Honda's doing it right. Got it. (I like SIs and used to have one).
 

bentin

Autocross Champion
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Austin, TX
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23 Golf R - 3 Pedals
You're bitching that VW didn't put out a fluffy front page that read something along the lines "the MK8 GTI will be a fun to drive turbocharged sports car" with one shitty photoshopped image?

The link I included has far more information than is available for the SI and the GTI is still months away from being available. Put down a deposit on an SI if you're so impressed with it based on Honda's website. It's supposedly getting here next month, not that you'd know from Honda's site.
I don't really want either car, it's just that we knew everything about the Mk8 a year ago thanks to the international press. But VW USA still has their head in the sand. I realize SUV's sell and cars don't, but they even f'ed up the ID4, and that's their cash cow.

Honda announces a car and it's on their website the same day. Do you not see the difference? Sure, there's a holdup of the US launch of every VW that no other manufacturer seems to deal with, but what would it have hurt to put up Mk8 info a year or six months ago? Would the poor folks in Honolulu with six remaining Mk7's not have bought those?

I realize it's weird times with Covid, chip shortages and shipping issues and no one really cares right now. The BRZ, the Emira, just about any car right now has more information available from forums than the actual manufacturer. I'm only recently learning that the Mk8 R still has the same 50% limit to rear power transfer as every other R32/R model has before it. Early press info sure made it sound like it could overdrive the rear unit like the previous Focus RS.
 

Fastlax16

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I don't really want either car, it's just that we knew everything about the Mk8 a year ago thanks to the international press. But VW USA still has their head in the sand. I realize SUV's sell and cars don't, but they even f'ed up the ID4, and that's their cash cow.

Honda announces a car and it's on their website the same day. Do you not see the difference? Sure, there's a holdup of the US launch of every VW that no other manufacturer seems to deal with, but what would it have hurt to put up Mk8 info a year or six months ago? Would the poor folks in Honolulu with six remaining Mk7's not have bought those?

I realize it's weird times with Covid, chip shortages and shipping issues and no one really cares right now. The BRZ, the Emira, just about any car right now has more information available from forums than the actual manufacturer. I'm only recently learning that the Mk8 R still has the same 50% limit to rear power transfer as every other R32/R model has before it. Early press info sure made it sound like it could overdrive the rear unit like the previous Focus RS.

Honda announced the car a couple weeks before it will be available. Based on Honda's timeline VWUSA shouldnt have even confirmed we are getting the mk8 yet. Sounds like that would have made you happier. The info currently available about the SI on Hondas website (Turbo and manual) has been available for months.
 
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bentin

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23 Golf R - 3 Pedals
Honda announced the car a couple weeks before it was available. Based on Honda's timeline VWUSA shouldnt have even confirmed we are getting the mk8 yet.
I suppose this would be fair if the Civic Si had been shown to the world over a year ago and on sale in Japan earlier this year. You're just being obstinate, the fact remains that VW CA updated their content months ago, and obviously so did DE and UK over a year ago. The Mk7.5 was at dealers before VW USA had even acknowledged it existed and they're likely not going to be far off with the Mk8. Audi had the A3/S3 site updated months ago, well before those cars started arriving. Same company, different branch, much different results. The same is true for Porsche, they announce things like the 22 Macan and the website is updated even with the full configurator that day. Why do we get the laziest IT folks? Let me go see if Bugatti keeps things fresher...
 

Fastlax16

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Chitown
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2019 DBP R
I suppose this would be fair if the Civic Si had been shown to the world over a year ago and on sale in Japan earlier this year. You're just being obstinate, the fact remains that VW CA updated their content months ago, and obviously so did DE and UK over a year ago. The Mk7.5 was at dealers before VW USA had even acknowledged it existed and they're likely not going to be far off with the Mk8. Audi had the A3/S3 site updated months ago, well before those cars started arriving. Same company, different branch, much different results. The same is true for Porsche, they announce things like the 22 Macan and the website is updated even with the full configurator that day. Why do we get the laziest IT folks? Let me go see if Bugatti keeps things fresher...

I'm the one being obstinate? You're praising Honda for having one sentence, one poor image, and no technical or pricing information on their website for a car that is launching in a few weeks. JFC. VW would have sold exactly 0 more GTIs if they had a GTI page 12 months ago with one photo and a generic PR line that applies to just about every sporty 4 cylinder from the last decade or so and you'd know exactly the same amount of information you do now.
 

bentin

Autocross Champion
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Austin, TX
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23 Golf R - 3 Pedals
The real humor is that I’d really only be interested in the R, so it’s two transmissions and three colors with no options. But I don’t think it interests me enough to change anyway. They still suck though. Always have, always will.
 

PRRGG1

Drag Racing Champion
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USA
... Why do we get the laziest IT folks? ...

And we know they're not working on code to add the Sport HMI Performance Monitor to '21s. Despite the promise on my Monroney sticker, after 8 months of ownership, I still don't have it. You bring up a good point -- just what is it that VW IT people work on? :rolleyes:
 

Daks

Autocross Champion
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Toronto
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GTI PP
And we know they're not working on code to add the Sport HMI Performance Monitor to '21s. Despite the promise on my Monroney sticker, after 8 months of ownership, I still don't have it. You bring up a good point -- just what is it that VW IT people work on? :rolleyes:
German porno. It's damn good.
 

sterkrazzy

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United States
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Turbo. Blue.
I'm so glad I bought my R when I did lol
 

Fastlax16

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Chitown
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2019 DBP R
I'm so glad I bought my R when I did lol

i was all set mentally to sell my r to vroom this week for 41 til I saw this. There are a couple other 22s on cars.com but no Rs.

Another 2 autobahns for 40 and for 39.7

two SEs for ~36

Second thoughts
 

sterkrazzy

Autocross Champion
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United States
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Turbo. Blue.
i was all set mentally to sell my r to vroom this week for 41 til I saw this. There are a couple other 22s on cars.com but no Rs.

Another 2 autobahns for 40 and for 39.7

two SEs for ~36

Second thoughts
It's a nutty market and I would not want to be a buyer right now. Hell, I work at a boat dealership and occasionally have to be a salesman and I enjoy that part of it even less with the current market. Our best products are sold out for about a year or even longer in some cases. I've already got a wait list going for 2023 models. Used prices have gone up a ton because there's no in-stock inventory and on top of that dealer cost on new went up a bunch this year. I'm about to list a 27' deckboat I sold to a guy in 2017 for 90k and I think I might start the asking price at $89.9k...I was talking to him today and he mentioned he saw a commercial where they were advertising the 2023 corvette and he had to rewind because he couldn't believe they were already taking orders for it.

It'll be interesting to see if they can keep GTIs and Rs in stock and what the prices will be like. If it's anything like we've been in the boating industry, and it does kinda seem to be mirroring it a bit, prices are gonna be higher and stock will be slim. I'm sure there'll be plenty of people out there willing to pay though. Almost everything we sell these days is through an allocated order slot, hardly anything arrives for stock anymore.
 
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