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Macan Vs TTS callipers

yirayira

Ready to race!
Location
Lancaster, PA
Will the Macan spec pads better cover the Golf R rotor? Centric lists the taller and thicker model 16630 pads for the base Macan
104.16630_Drawing.jpg


While the 10010 below are listed for both the Genesis 3.8 Track and 2017 STI

104.10010_DRA.jpg
 

GTIfan99

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
FL
These are the specs for the STI/EVO pads. I just measured my Hyundai Genesis 3.8 Track pads from Power Stop. The backing plate is 77.5mm tall vs 77.3 and the pad material is 60mm tall vs 55mm. So I''m hoping to get full coverage and not have that gap of rotor that isn't contacted near the hub.
 

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nono0044

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Toronto
These are the specs for the STI/EVO pads. I just measured my Hyundai Genesis 3.8 Track pads from Power Stop. The backing plate is 77.5mm tall vs 77.3 and the pad material is 60mm tall vs 55mm. So I''m hoping to get full coverage and not have that gap of rotor that isn't contacted near the hub.
Definitely let me know if the Genesis ones cover better
 

jmblur

Ready to race!
Location
Massachusetts
Ride
2017 Golf R
These are the specs for the STI/EVO pads. I just measured my Hyundai Genesis 3.8 Track pads from Power Stop. The backing plate is 77.5mm tall vs 77.3 and the pad material is 60mm tall vs 55mm. So I''m hoping to get full coverage and not have that gap of rotor that isn't contacted near the hub.
The 77.5 is probably just manufacturing tolerances. The 60mm is definitely a functional difference though. Here's brembo's drawing of our calipers:

Screenshot_20191127-203430.png

67mm is the disc surface height. Assuming 3mm at the outside edge, that's 4mm on the inside edge which isn't bad.

For reference, the Macan disc is 65.5mm. the Genesis is 62.5.
 
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yirayira

Ready to race!
Location
Lancaster, PA
These are the specs for the STI/EVO pads. I just measured my Hyundai Genesis 3.8 Track pads from Power Stop. The backing plate is 77.5mm tall vs 77.3 and the pad material is 60mm tall vs 55mm. So I''m hoping to get full coverage and not have that gap of rotor that isn't contacted near the hub.
Could the different dimensions just be specific to that particular Brembo pad? Power Stop and Centric both lists the same part numbers, Z26-1001 and 10X.10010, for both the Hyundai Genesis 3.8 Track and 2013 STI. Is this just size difference by manufacture?
 

THEREALVRT

Go Kart Champion
Location
The great white north
Ride
Golf R
Will the Macan spec pads better cover the Golf R rotor? Centric lists the taller and thicker model 16630 pads for the base Macan
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While the 10010 below are listed for both the Genesis 3.8 Track and 2017 STI

View attachment 160582
Unless you are tracking id run the macan. The angled ends of the lower pad would be quieter when tracking
Also id run the 345mm mk5/6 R rotors. Reason being i assume the pads would overhang on the 340mm rotors and over time a lip would develop on the pad and start making noise.
Can someone who has actually installed this setup confirm if there is slight overhang of the pads on our oem 340mm sized rotors?!
 
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nono0044

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Toronto
Unless you are tracking id run the macan. The angled ends of the lower pad would be quieter when tracking
Also id run the 345mm mk5/6 R rotors. Reason being i assume the pads would overhang on the 340mm rotors and over time a lip would develop on the pad and start making noise.
Can someone who has actually installed this setup confirm if there is slight overhang of the pads on our oem 340mm sized rotors?!
they don't
 

OldVWFan

Passed Driver's Ed
I installed the TTS calipers on my GTI Sport and find them totally acceptable for spirited street driving and better than the originally calipers. Yes, you do have to remove the caliper to replace pads at the cost of 4 new calipers bolts, buts unless you are tracking the car and change the pads this is not a problem. Pad choice is limited at this time, stock or Isweep from Neuspeed, I believe others (EBC & others) will produce pads in the near future. Currently (as of yesterday) ShopDap was having a sale on this kit. I personally thought about going with the Neuspeed 6 piston, but cost and the fact that I do not track the car, made the TTS calipers a good choice for me. With the stock wheels, Nogaro 18x7.5 49mm I had to use 15mm wheel spacers.
 

yirayira

Ready to race!
Location
Lancaster, PA
Unless you are tracking id run the macan. The angled ends of the lower pad would be quieter when tracking
Also id run the 345mm mk5/6 R rotors. Reason being i assume the pads would overhang on the 340mm rotors and over time a lip would develop on the pad and start making noise.
Can someone who has actually installed this setup confirm if there is slight overhang of the pads on our oem 340mm sized rotors?!
Yes I am tracking on road courses. My now damaged 986 Boxster Brembos saw 7 track weekends this year and the top loading design was key to making early morning pad changes almost enjoyable.
I specifically want the Macan calipers for the top loading design. 10% unswept inside area with the Power Stop pads is perfectly functional. I plan to run the same size pads for street and race compounds so I can reuse rotors. But if a full swept pad exists it would make this the perfect OEM+ mod
 

Sc629

Ready to race!
Location
IN
Yes I am tracking on road courses. My now damaged 986 Boxster Brembos saw 7 track weekends this year and the top loading design was key to making early morning pad changes almost enjoyable.
I specifically want the Macan calipers for the top loading design. 10% unswept inside area with the Power Stop pads is perfectly functional. I plan to run the same size pads for street and race compounds so I can reuse rotors. But if a full swept pad exists it would make this the perfect OEM+ mod
what damaged your calipers??
 

GTIfan99

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
FL
Yes I am tracking on road courses. My now damaged 986 Boxster Brembos saw 7 track weekends this year and the top loading design was key to making early morning pad changes almost enjoyable.
I specifically want the Macan calipers for the top loading design. 10% unswept inside area with the Power Stop pads is perfectly functional. I plan to run the same size pads for street and race compounds so I can reuse rotors. But if a full swept pad exists it would make this the perfect OEM+ mod
I'm hoping the Power Stop pads cover better. I'll know by next weekend. Holding them up to the rotor, they almost cover the entire braking surface, so it's come down to how placement is with Macan calipers.

I'm also trying to find an old set of mk6 rotors to test fit too. Maybe the RS3 pads would provide more coverage and we could increase the size of the rotor too. I'm going to play around until I figure it out. I've been ordering pads on amazon so I can test fit and return if they don't work. Thanks Jeff Bezos.
 
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GTIfan99

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
FL
Mustang with Brembo and 355mm rotors list the same Power Stop part number too. hmmmmmm. No fronts listed for RS3. I'll have to search Pagid .
 

jmblur

Ready to race!
Location
Massachusetts
Ride
2017 Golf R
Does anybody have a stock pads lying around that could take basic measurements of the actual brake pad material? I'm wondering how much more pad coverage you actually get with these compared to stock.

Even better if you can place pads on a scanner (contact patch down - even better if you have pads for Macan calipers too), I can take area measurements for comparison.
 

GTIfan99

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
FL
Does anybody have a stock pads lying around that could take basic measurements of the actual brake pad material? I'm wondering how much more pad coverage you actually get with these compared to stock.

Even better if you can place pads on a scanner (contact patch down - even better if you have pads for Macan calipers too), I can take area measurements for comparison.
I don't think these or the Macan pads have more surface area than stock, though I could be wrong. All you're gaining is adding lightness, looks cool, and for track rats, ease of swapping back and forth between street and track pads up front.
 

jmblur

Ready to race!
Location
Massachusetts
Ride
2017 Golf R
I don't think these or the Macan pads have more surface area than stock, though I could be wrong. All you're gaining is adding lightness, looks cool, and for track rats, ease of swapping back and forth between street and track pads up front.
A 4pot caliper should also lead to better pedal feel and consistency. "Should" being the operative word!
 

GTIfan99

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
FL
The 77.5 is probably just manufacturing tolerances. The 60mm is definitely a functional difference though. Here's brembo's drawing of our calipers:

View attachment 160604
67mm is the disc surface height. Assuming 3mm at the outside edge, that's 4mm on the inside edge which isn't bad.

For reference, the Macan disc is 65.5mm. the Genesis is 62.5.
Can you find the brembo drawing for mk6 R?
 

nono0044

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Toronto
curious but did the macan calipers eyelets ( mounting the caliper to the splindle) have to be reduced to fit our 12mm bolts properly
Did you mean 21mm bolts? The calipers should bolt directly to the aluminum knuckles with the same OEM bolts that hold the stock caliper carriers
 
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