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KYGTIGuy

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Bozz said:
I'm not Renner but I will reply...That's all good and well...but do you really think criminals are going to CARE if guns are legal or not?
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Murderers don't care that murder is illegal, they still commit murder. That's not reason to then say murder should be legal because it happens regardless of if it's legal or not.
 
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Renner said:
You have to be high as a mother f#% if you really think this! Name one thing in this country that is banned and you can still not get if you wanted it. If you ban guns you only hurt law abiding citizens buy not allowing them to protect themselves due to worry of being arrested...criminals don't care so they will always have guns.
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Read my post again. Jesus christ, this world gets dumber and dumber by the minute.
 
Bozz

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KYGTIGuy said:
Murderers don't care that murder is illegal, they still commit murder. That's not reason to then say murder should be legal because it happens regardless of if it's legal or not.
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That's apples and oranges. But whatever...
 
trev1342

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Well then, after reading this there are good points from both sides, but I'm not putting my 10 cents in. I keep my mouth shut when it comes to politics, religion, or personal finances to avoid conflict. :D
 
Do Work Son

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trev1342 said:
Well then, after reading this there are good points from both sides, but I'm not putting my 10 cents in. I keep my mouth shut when it comes to politics, religion, or personal finances to avoid conflict. :D
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Good thing Internet forum conflict really matters, your maturity extends far beyond our own.
 
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If not a gun then a knife, bomb, car, bat, acid in your face.....People who want to hurt or kill others will always find a way.
 
Do Work Son

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The difference is that guns are far more efficient at killing people quickly than other methods. In many cases they're even cheaper and more readily available too, hence my growing unease over the years at just how so.
 
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mattdibart

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Bozz said:
I'm not Renner but I will reply...That's all good and well...but do you really think criminals are going to CARE if guns are legal or not?
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Seems to be working just fine up here and many other places with strict gun laws. You guys always use the same argument, criminals don't care blah blah blah. Do you think the rest of the world just has friendly criminals? Do you really think the criminals in Canada ask politely to rob you? You do realize that with citizens not having guns it actually puts less pressure on a robber to be carrying a gun. In the US if someone is going to rob you they better be packing because the other person probably is as well (in some states more than others). That is not the case here and I know multiple people whose homes were invaded during the night and they were able to scare/chase the guys out of the home. I'm going to guess that if we were in the USA one or both parties would have pulled out a gun and someone's life could have ended. I'm all for capital punishment but no one deserves to die for stealing a couple TVs and a Ipad from someone's house.

Having strict gun laws not only makes it harder for bad people to own guns but it should also lower the overall amount of guns in the country and make it harder for criminals to get their hands on them. It won't stop them all, and no one thinks it will, but anything is better that what you guys currently have.

The one thing you guys fail to see is that your gun crime rate is much higher than most of the world and you guys can own almost all the guns you want... obviously it isn't working but for some reason some of you magically think more is better. Do you seriously want to live somewhere where your kids have to be packing at all times so that some virgin maniac with a gun can't take out a bunch of innocent college kids? Do you really want to teach your kid how to shoot and kill Billy if he forgets to take his pills and uses his legally owned gun to go ape shit on a school? Do you really want to take a chance that someone else with a gun isn't going to panic in a situation and hit a family member isn't of the criminal?

Those were just a handful of things that could happen when a gun is involved. I would rather live somewhere with less guns and you put some faith in the system you vote on to take care of the rest.

Also for all you people saying well knives can kill, cars can kill etc. ANYTHING can kill someone. I can take your childhood teddy bear and smother you with it, I can drown you in your sink... should we ban teddy bears and water/sinks? It has nothing to do with what you CAN do with something but rather what that item was CREATED to do. MAJOR difference.
 
DUBPL8

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A bit of an eye opener http://www.theroot.com/articles/cul...r:content&mc_cid=adf585370e&mc_eid=2dc3d5edad

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“Ladies, is it really that serious?” he asked, as only someone who has the luxury of walking down the street mostly unbothered can. An overwhelming number of women commented on his page to say, basically, “Yes, it’s that serious.” Then they detailed their experiences of being yelled at and called out of their names, spit at (that’s my story) and even assaulted for not saying “Hi,” not smiling on demand and/or daring to ignore a stranger who calls out to a woman, not by her name, but by her most jiggly body part.

After reading all those testimonies, he was still incredulous. Unfortunately, not in the “I can’t believe this happens and I, despite having a mother, a wife, a sister and a teenage daughter, never noticed!” kind of way but in the “I’ve never seen any men do that, so it must not be happening!” kind of way. So many guys, even the so-called good ones, don’t get it, or perhaps they don’t want to. It would require an entire shift in the way many men, even unconsciously, view women.

It’s hard to make it into adulthood as a woman and not interact with more than a few guys (not the elusive strangers on the street who can easily objectify you because they don’t know you) you actually get to know, think are pretty cool and then realize their startling views on women. Too often there’s the guy who loves his mom and perhaps you, too, but can’t refrain from using the words “female” and “bitch” when he’s mad at you. When you dare to complain about his use of “female” or “bitch,” you pretty much get what my Facebook friend offered: “Is it that serious?” For some men, anything that requires them to change even a bit isn’t worth the effort.
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