ZERO815
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Yes it is.
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Is VW Making a Lot of 2024 R's?
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tmw2442
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Drift mode is mostly a gimmick, along with the flashy RGB lighting colors/digital dash vomit, so you can impress your friends for a few times on the face-ta-gram-tubes, before they get bored and unsub; but use your nice/expensive 200tw tires for whatever deemed fit. There is a place for a donut every once in a while, I can understand that, but IMO a more fun use of the rubber and ancient dead dinosaurs/plants is in HDPE/autocross/Canyon/windy road time.
Yes, I agree the updated Manga diff is "more" capable than gen 5 haldex on paper, but your looking at tenths in autoX to maybe a couple seconds at best on a track, at best for a professional driver on two comparable (HP) mk7s/8s. Which is not the use case for most, even in the small set of forum keyboard warriors. At best a small subset of the forum is doing Fast road/Spirit driving on the regular, track/autocross even less, and of that group being able to "advantage" all hail MAGNA, over a gen 5 haldex, that number can be counted on a single hand on here. Mk8 Magna vs Mk7 Haldex (as an above sticker price argument), for the overwhelming majority is akin to a grad school discussion of my dad's corvette is faster than your dad's corvette because...(I have a "drift" button, therefore...)
Most of the paint damage the comes from the Wolfsburg plant (mexico as well) can be remedied by a quick, light DA polish at least in my experience buying 5 VWs in the past 17ish years. What I am speaking to is the dealer damaging the paint further during the prep and hand installing (moderate to heavy swirls/scratches), due to the staff improperly cleaning them. Both mk5s , the mk6, where fairly pristine(Wolfburg production) bought (1K-ish under sticker) before delivery, the alltrack (well below sticker), a tiguan (couple K under during the coof crisis) ( (mexico production, just like NA Mk7 and up GTIs) bought after lot sitting, and the Mk7 R (Wolfsburg) (just slightly under in 2017) bought as the truck arrived from port; had a few minor areas (less than a hand size) at most confined to the drivers sides(insert surprised face...). Most likely installed love-ingly in a hurry we sold this car PDI or before sale "inspection". After a discussion that took way longer and with more effort that should have been required, I was able to get them to leave most of the white PPF on the exterior, and plastic cover on the interior.
Cannot speak to a new Mk8 R delivery and how they show at PDI, but when I go look for fun once or twice a year for my own amusement; I see most cars "new" mild at best to moderately swirled/scratched that are sitting at dealers currently. They look like they are already 1 to 2 years old of improper washing, and they haven't even been off the lot yet. Modern paint 2021+ is put on so thin to save money, you may get one moderate correction at best, before you don't have enough clear left to do it again during your ownership or the next person, it's the F the next guy attitude while they are demanding you give them more value, than they are even attempting to provide. Hey pay more, while we provide a shit-t-ier, lazy-ier, service. No value prop for the consumer. What a world were we have to spend 1/2 days time or more, sacrifice a chicken, do a rain dance, being inundated by sleezy extra(s) addons for zero value or "work" by the dealer (we put a 1.5K coat of wax on it.... swirled the paint real good as we did it, then the 19 year old kid we are paying pennies to wash cars, took it for a rip (cold to redline), 2 donuts in drift mode in the parking lot a few blocks away on they way to put gas it....)
and underhanded extra warranty (they would find a way to deny if you ever had to use, but hey you could always buy another new one from us, they fixed that problem this Model Year and we have one on the lot TODAY!.... ), slow rolling the purchase by a finance Dbag in an off the rack department store suit (pushing snake oil...), tactic BS, to at best be a 5 K + above MSRP....The mailings from dealers asking me to sell my couple year old car back to them, while they give me a "good" deal on a new one. Whoever came up with that and whatever dealerships uses it deserves to go out of business. Regardless if I had a good experience with you not screwing around on price or taking up more than 2 hrs of my day start to finish to actually get the car, I will never buy from you again after a mailing, a text advertising, or a intrusive phone call asking/advertising me to sell my car back to you.
They (on average are) damaged/damaging a car, that in turn they have an outright demanding attitude that "YOU" pay substantially above sticker price for; it's complete nonsense.
Then...VW of America will say....Rs don't sell, so VW won't worry or bat an eye about discontinuing cool models in the future or give us a de contented husk of what people actually want or not even offer them at all. It's part of the reason why manual are dying even in enthusiast models, "see they didn't sell." No Rs for the next MY for you....
It turns into a self licking ice cream cone, which is caused primarily by dealership nonsense and not VW customers. VW of America had to work for months to get Manual Rs as an option for the American market. In general car manufactures only put the manual in the bottom of the barrel pleb model, and people didn't get it because they wanted the upmarket farkles, not because they didn't want the manual. Bottom line, dealership BS is going aid in killing an enthusiast trim of their car. Not customers not wanting them. I'm sure the dealers are making enough money in volume selling giant Atlas's for a soccer mom to take 1 kid to an from school each day to not be gouging every single R on the lot, making them sit.
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tmw2442
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Oof....
Wish my drugs...could make me as high this sales manager....
Wish my drugs...could make me as high this sales manager....
aloha_from_bradley
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I mean, I get it. Yes, there are cars with ridiculous price tags. End of the day, no one around here will pay these prices. The average enthusiast just knows better. Some spoiled kid with rich parents will buy this car, and that's pretty much what the dealership is banking on.
It's been said a few times now. The MK8 costs what the MK7 did 5 years ago, just with an inflation adjustment. It actually costs less if my math is right. I've purchased two new cars in the past month, both of which were at or below MSRP. If you know what you are doing and are patient enough to make good choices, you absolutely can find good deals out there.
Value is relative and buyer specific. One person will think a Honda Civic gets you the most for your money while another person thinks that an RSQ8 is a bargain because it costs less than a G Wagon. It's just specific to each transaction. I said it earlier, you can find brand new MK8Rs for around 48k. That is a good price for what you get.
avenali312
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I love the timeline of this and that it's visible to the consumer.
"Hey, this car didn't sell for a couple of weeks. What should we do? Mark it up $7,500! Oh, and pass that dank kush again."
tmw2442
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63K...is RS3 money, probably 1 to 2 year old RS3 money...but RS3 money
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aloha_from_bradley
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It's used RS3 money
bentin
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How much to graft the hatch onto one?
aloha_from_bradley
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No shit. Between that and the Tiguan R...
At my local dealer. It's in the showroom and currently seeking an experienced voodoo doctor to do something to keep me from buying it.
https://www.douglassvolkswagen.com/...lf-r-2-0t-awd-4d-hatchback-wvwfb7cd9rw216838/
bentin
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The wife would have an RSQ3 if they just sold the dumb thing here.
aloha_from_bradley
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I'm so sorry you have to rock a front plate.
bentin
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I have a front plate, it’s what I use when I’m using the bike rack. Our state requires them but it’s a fix it ticket.
Thanks haha I hate it, screws up the looks of the car and every time I try to ride with it off, I get pulled over. I been considering registering a business in a back plate only state.
bentin
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Montana, you just need a PO Box and you don’t have to pay sales tax. Nearly every Ferrari, McLaren, Rolls and Bugatti down here has a Montana plate.