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this is super interesting and helpful, thanks, I'm going through a similar thing with removing my Neuspeed FMIC and swapping for an APR (or AMS if someone can convince me AMS > APR)
it's cool weather where i live so i want to prioritize internal intercooler flow, and then I typically just give it throttle getting on the freeway or whatever so periods of WOT with then longer periods of steady state (so stuff gets cool), and it sounded like APR did some work on optimizing all these variables where I don't see other intercooler companies doing that work. I don't love more weight on the nose but I'm not that worried personally with another 5-10lbs or whatever
I generally have heard bar/plate flows more with similar internal intercooler density but I didn't want to stir up a mess by saying that.
I should have a good before/after apples apples dyno test of the Neuspeed vs the APR too on the same dyno/tuner which might be interesting
"I was having issues with keeping my IAT down with an IE intercooler which is a bar and plate unit. I switched to an AMS unit which is tube and fin, and it works much better. I think this is because of how the air flow is limited with the intercooler being sandwiched. I just went through this part switcheroo and that is what I've learned through a couple different individuals who work in the intercooler field. I spoke with Ed at EQT, AMS and TyrolSport when trying to figure out the intercooler situation. Also, I have been talking to CSF about their race oil coolers and I will be switching from a tube fin setrab cooler to a bar and plate csf oil cooler which again, they both follow the same rules/laws of the intercoolers except with oil rather than air.
But either way, it seems tube and fin work better for stock location intercooler. Ed said AMS and APR are the best. TyrolSport said APR and Wagner are the best. Both said they no longer install IE intercoolers and do not recommend them for hybrid turbos. It's interesting that the APR intercooler is a bar and plate and highly recommended. Somehow APR got it right with the air flow inside vs air flow outside for that cooler. "
it's cool weather where i live so i want to prioritize internal intercooler flow, and then I typically just give it throttle getting on the freeway or whatever so periods of WOT with then longer periods of steady state (so stuff gets cool), and it sounded like APR did some work on optimizing all these variables where I don't see other intercooler companies doing that work. I don't love more weight on the nose but I'm not that worried personally with another 5-10lbs or whatever
I generally have heard bar/plate flows more with similar internal intercooler density but I didn't want to stir up a mess by saying that.
I should have a good before/after apples apples dyno test of the Neuspeed vs the APR too on the same dyno/tuner which might be interesting
"I was having issues with keeping my IAT down with an IE intercooler which is a bar and plate unit. I switched to an AMS unit which is tube and fin, and it works much better. I think this is because of how the air flow is limited with the intercooler being sandwiched. I just went through this part switcheroo and that is what I've learned through a couple different individuals who work in the intercooler field. I spoke with Ed at EQT, AMS and TyrolSport when trying to figure out the intercooler situation. Also, I have been talking to CSF about their race oil coolers and I will be switching from a tube fin setrab cooler to a bar and plate csf oil cooler which again, they both follow the same rules/laws of the intercoolers except with oil rather than air.
But either way, it seems tube and fin work better for stock location intercooler. Ed said AMS and APR are the best. TyrolSport said APR and Wagner are the best. Both said they no longer install IE intercoolers and do not recommend them for hybrid turbos. It's interesting that the APR intercooler is a bar and plate and highly recommended. Somehow APR got it right with the air flow inside vs air flow outside for that cooler. "