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Imported MK7 GTI from Japan - No sound at all

SNDempsey

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Lurker for awhile while waiting for my Mk7 to arrive from Japan. Arrived yesterday and I realised I have no audio sound at all regardless of source.

I went digging and found a thick yellow/thick black wire in the boot with a molex connector on the end (thick yellow is going to battery in engine bay) and a thin cable with a molex on it, along with 2 RCAs. These run up passenger side to the footwell. Followed them and found the RCAs coming from a AudioTechnica 2ch high/low converter. This seems wired in heading up towards headunit in glovebox.

I'm presuming previous owner had a sound system of some sort and removed it before sale.

I've attached some photos of what I found.

Can anybody explain what's going on as to why I have no sound whatsoever, and how can I rectify this ?

Any help would be really appreciated.

Kind regards
Scott
 

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DV52

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Location
Australia
Scott:Hi.

I agree with your hypothesis that the previous owner of this car installed an non-OEM, aftermarket external amplifier. The OEM equivalent is called "Dnyaudio" and when installed (usually as a factory-build option), the external amplifier gets its audio information via a couple of optic-fiber cables from the MIB (the infotainment brain that lives in the glove box). Again in the OEM set-up, the MIB is coded to NOT use the normal speaker outlets at the rear of the MIB. Instead, in the Dynyaudio set-up, the speakers are wired directly to the OEM amplifier (which lives under the front passenger seat

When non-OEM external amplifiers are used - nearly ALL are not able to get their audio information from the optic-fiber cables (because they don't have a license for VW's proprietry digital protocol - which is called "MOST"). Instead, these non-OEM set-ups thieve a left/right audio signal from a pair of the speaker outlets on the back panel of the MIB. However, the problem with this method is that the internal impedance of the speaker outlets is too low for this purpose. The external amplifier normally needs a high impedance source for the audio signal

On this car, the previous owner solved this problem with the AudioTechnica 2ch high/low converter (without this piece-of-kit, the speaker-based audio would cause clipping and signal-distortion). I suspect that the non-RCA wires will eventually terminate on the back of the MIB - there should be 5 x wires (2 x pairs for the left and right channels and an earth wire).

So, as I said - if the previous owner retrofitted an external amplifier in this car - he/she probably re-routed the OEM speaker wires to terminate on the new amplifier. This would explain why there is no noise from the infotainmement unit.

If this was my car, I would slide-out the MIB from the glove-box and eyeball the state of the speaker terminals on the "Quad-Lock" connector on the rear housing.

Here is a diagram showing how the speakers are connected to the MIB back-panel on a standard MIB (without an external amplifier):


Again, my hunch is that you should find that the speaker wires have been removed from the MIB pins (except for a left/right pairs that connect to the AudioTechnica box)

Hopefully, the original speaker wires will be handy somewhere near the MIB in the cubby space behind the unit.

Please be aware that to slide-out the MIB, you will need a pair of "keys" - see below. The process is real easy and the keys are inexpensive - don't attempt this without using the proper keys.


I'm assuming through-out my response that the "no audio" problem on this car happens for ALL audio sources. Of course, the other problem with using a car that has a Japanese pedigree in Ireland is that the radio bands might need to be re-coded in the MIB.
Don

PS: The excellent video from mr-fix below is not specifically for your problem - but it shows how to remove the MIB and how to release the quad-lock connector at the rear of the unit. Also included in the video is a description of how to release the "N" connector in my diagram above:



 
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SNDempsey

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Scott:Hi.

Wow that's very much for that in detail response.

They radio keys I had don't work so I ordered a new set to arrive tomorrow. So once I get them I'll pull out the unit in glovebox and see what's going on behind there and report back with photo.

Yes you are correct in saying I've no audio from all sources.

I've nothing under the passenger seat and all that's under drive seat is a TV tuner. So I presume I have most basic sound system from factory?

Would getting a loan of a small amp get my audio back easier ? Is it a case of connect the power/ground to the amp and the RCAs?
 

khail19

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Reno NV
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Mk7 GTI
If the previous owner removed their sound system, it's possible that you don't have any speakers as well. Have you pulled door panels off to check?
 

SNDempsey

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MK7 GTI
If the previous owner removed their sound system, it's possible that you don't have any speakers as well. Have you pulled door panels off to check?

Speakers are all there thankfully. It was 1 of the first things I checked when It clicked with me that there was a sound system in the car previous.
 

DV52

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Location
Australia
I've nothing under the passenger seat and all that's under drive seat is a TV tuner. So I presume I have most basic sound system from factory?

Would getting a loan of a small amp get my audio back easier ? Is it a case of connect the power/ground to the amp and the RCAs?

OOPps - my bad -I have to apologize for my incorrect information. I've just checked my VW material and it appears that the OEM external amp is under the driver's seat (I had assumed that it was under the passenger seat on their Right Hand drive cars)..

The OEM amp is called J525 in the VW wiring diagram - see below (it's the TV tuner that is physically under the passenger seat


Given that you have now identified that a module does exist under the driver seat - I suspect that this extra information means that this car may have been built with the OEM external amplifier but without the sub-woffer speaker in the Dynaudio set-up. Maybe the extra wiring was used to add a sub-woofer amplifier in the boot which was removed for sale? Again this is a guess,

So, maybe eyball the connector on the module under the driver-seat - here are the OEM connectors for J525 and RX6:


If the unit under the driver's seat has the larger 30 x pin connector A, then it is the OEM external Amplifier (J525) module. If this is the case, then the factory wiring looms for the speakers will be routed to terminate on the connector A shown in my picture (connector B is for the two fiber-optic cables).

If indeed this car has a J525 module, the loss of sound is more problematic. Do you have access to a diagnostic device like VCDS, or OBDeleven - If so, please post-up a copy of a SCAN report so we can see if there are any errors reported

Don
 
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SNDempsey

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Thanks again for the in depth reply. I just checked the car there for you.

It's a RHD car so under the driver's seat is a TV Tuner module with the part number 8V0919129B. I have attached a photo of the back of this. Under the passenger seat is absolutely nothing, just smooth carpet. Not even mounting points for anything, or any cables for that matter.
 

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SNDempsey

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@DV52

Pulled out unit in glovebox and here is what I found. Photo of back of unit attached.

Using the photo of the pinout you posted above here is what I could see.

Pin 1 - black/white - not messed with
Pin 5 - blue/white - not messed with
Pin 2 - red/green - a wire spliced in
Pin 6 - brown/green - a wire spliced in
Pin 3 - red/yellow - a wire spliced in
Pin 7 - brown/yellow a wire spliced in
Pin 4 - blue/black not messed with
Pin 8 - white/black not messed with

I presume it's the high/low converter spliced in.

Any idea what should be next action to take? Would getting a loan of a small amp and hooking it up the power/ground and the RCAs in the boot just solve everything ? If so that's a simple option for me.
 

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DV52

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OK- I'm surprised!!

I'm not at all convinced that a "loan small amp" will be useful. Think about what your pictures are telling us - the audio signal for the Audio-technica box is supplied by the same wires that supply the left/right front speakers. So, if the front speakers don't work, neither will there be an audio signal for the retrofit equipment!!

As clearly shown in your pictures, the "N" connector on this MIB is fully populated! This means that as factory-built, the speakers in this car have been wired directly onto the Quad-Lock connector. This strongly suggests (to me at least) that the speakers in this car are wired to use the internal amplifier inside the MIB.

So - why no sound? I'm entirely guessing but here are some possible reasons:
  1. The AudioTechnica box/wiring is faulty causing the internal MIB amp to shut-down
  2. The internal amplifier in the MIB is faulty (it does happen)
  3. For some unknown reason the MIB has been coded to by-pass the internal amplifier
Do you have access to a diagnostic device like OBDeleven (or VCDS)? If so, please post-up a copy of a SCAN report for this car - it will tell us much about what's happened to this MIB

Don
 
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SNDempsey

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I have a friend with VCDS who could possibly give it a scan for me.

Will I get that done first before attempting to remove the AudioTechnica unit + wiring from the car ?

Thanks very much for all the help and knowledge so far. I'll owe you many pints if I can get this rectified.
 

SNDempsey

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Got a scan done today by a friend who emailed me the log earlier. Found issues for sure but not sure if its related to audio. He didnt clear anything was just some sort of automatic scan and that was it, so i dont know if these are old and not relevant?

Code:
Monday,20,November,2023,11:15:08:00009
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 8.1 x64
VCDS Version: 23.3.1.0
Data version: 20230421 DS346.2
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZAUZEW356350   License Plate: 141C14642
Mileage: 86711km-53879mi   Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: AU-VW37 (5Q0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 10 13 14 15 16 17 19 2B 42 44 52 55 57 5F
          A5 A9

VIN: WVWZZZAUZEW356350   Mileage: 86711km-53879miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
13-Auto Dist. Reg -- Status: OK 0000
14-Susp. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
57-TV Tuner -- Status: Malfunction 0010
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
A5-Frt Sens. Drv. Assist -- Status: OK 0000
A9-Struct. Borne Sound -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CHHB)       Labels:. 06K-907-425-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5G0 906 259     HW: 06K 907 425 B
   Component: 2.0l R4 TFSI  H13 0007
   Revision: --H13---    CVN: 4B0822E3
   Coding: 0A1D00324464050B3000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TFS0215G0906259 001011
   ROD: EV_ECM20TFS0215G0906259_VW37.rod
   VCID: 6BD572AB8285F9CB0E-803E
   VINID: 9E69EAAAA465A959C31460C5008A3CDF01

4 Faults Found:
15446 - Coolant Bypass Valve 2
          P0E7B 00 [046] - Open Circuit
          [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Mileage: 82284 km
                    Date: 2022.10.17
                    Time: 15:58:23

                    Engine RPM: 1392.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 19.2 %
                    Vehicle speed: 26 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 106  C
                    Intake air temperature: 39  C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 14.296 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Engine: operating status: PL
                    STATE_LS_SAE[1]: CL
                    T_AST_SAE: 408 s
                    MAP_MES_SAE: 71 kPa
                    Lambda probe voltage: bank 1: probe 1 (broadband probe): 2.056 V
                    FAC_TPS_1_SAE: 17.578125 %
                    FUP_H_SAE: 11470.0 kPa

15450 - Coolant Bypass Valve 2
          P0E7C 00 [047] - Short to GND
          [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 253
                    Mileage: 84721 km
                    Date: 2023.03.18
                    Time: 12:08:59

                    Engine RPM: 1150.50 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 22 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 106  C
                    Intake air temperature: 42  C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 14.882 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Engine: operating status: PUC
                    STATE_LS_SAE[1]: OL_INTR
                    T_AST_SAE: 2477 s
                    MAP_MES_SAE: 24 kPa
                    Lambda probe voltage: bank 1: probe 1 (broadband probe): 3.213 V
                    FAC_TPS_1_SAE: 12.890625 %
                    FUP_H_SAE: 19980.0 kPa

15007 - Valve for Fuel Metering (N290)
          P0089 00 [104] - Inadequate Performance
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 86710 km
                    Date: 2023.11.11
                    Time: 20:00:01

                    Engine RPM: 1181.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 27.1 %
                    Vehicle speed: 2 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 13  C
                    Intake air temperature: 5  C
                    Ambient air pressure: 990 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 14.687 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 37
                    Engine: operating status: PL
                    STATE_LS_SAE[1]: OL_CDN
                    T_AST_SAE: 14 s
                    MAP_MES_SAE: 73 kPa
                    Lambda probe voltage: bank 1: probe 1 (broadband probe): 1.997 V
                    FUP_EFP_MES: 1844.09 hPa
                    FUP_H_SAE: 5340.0 kPa

15027 - Fuel Level too Low
          P1250 00 [032] - -
          [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels: 0D9-927-770.clb
   Part No SW: 0D9 300 040 S    HW: 02E 927 770 AQ
   Component: DQ250-6F MQB  H52 4311
   Revision: 05852204    Serial number: TFK01403051561 CVN: 00003D63
   Coding: 0014
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ250021 001001
   ROD: EV_TCMDQ250021.rod
   VCID: 275D4E9B5EED1DABAA-8072

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379-IPB-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 379 AB    HW: 5Q0 907 379 H
   Component: ESC           H31 0557
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 606140000009C7
   Coding: 01FA93A134252972037A060581C3A980C92C94C0608195F7F84250B8C206
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 033001
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_033_VW37.rod
   VCID: 7CF741F7F7EB6E7397-8028

1 Fault Found:
32928 - Function Restricted due to Insufficient Voltage
          U1400 00 [008] - -
          [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 7
                    Reset counter: 92


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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-435.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 435 A    HW: 5Q0 959 435
   Component: VWKESSYMQB    021 0604
   Revision: 00021000    Serial number: 0329807416 Dataset Number: 5G0IJ1v____ 0001
   Coding: 030C0C
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB 002011
   ROD: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB_002.rod
   VCID: 3A7B87EFBD5F9043C5-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5G0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5G0 907 044 T    HW: 5G0 907 044 T
   Component: Climatronic   H02 0805
   Revision: 00001K06    Dataset Number: 0000
   Coding: 00120004100100001105004011101800
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X 003018
   ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X_003_VW37.rod
   VCID: 387F9DE78353825333-806C

   Fresh air blower control module (front):

   A/C pressure/coolant temperature sensor:

   Air quality sensor:

4 Faults Found:
328964 - Motor for Front Air Distribution Flap
          B1091 71 [008] - Actuator Stuck
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 56
                    Reset counter: 93
                    Mileage: 86298 km
                    Date: 2023.05.22
                    Time: 10:29:16

                    Voltage terminal 30: 12.4 V
                    Outside temperature: 25.5  C
                    Inside temperature: 39.0  C
                    Front air distribution flap: actual value: 46
                    Front air distribution flap: actual value: 9.0 %
                    Air distribution door front - Specified value: 22

328967 - Position Sensor for Front Air Distribution Flap Motor
          B1099 15 [008] - Open or Short to Plus
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 48
                    Reset counter: 79
                    Mileage: 86204 km
                    Date: 2023.05.20
                    Time: 18:30:59

                    Voltage terminal 30: 11.8 V
                    Outside temperature: 24.0  C
                    Inside temperature: 0.0  C
                    Front air distribution flap: actual value: 236
                    Front air distribution flap: actual value: 99.5 %
                    Air distribution door front - Specified value: 27

590081 - Control Circuit for A/C Compressor
          B10A9 11 [008] - Short to Ground
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 88
                    Mileage: 86678 km
                    Date: 2023.08.25
                    Time: 13:57:18

                    Outside temperature: 34.0  C
                    Engine RPM: 800 /min
                    Compressor shut-off condition: Compressor activation: malfunction in activation path
                    Compressor current: actual value: 0.000 A
                    Compressor current: specified value: 0.000 A

1048838 - Functional Limitation due to Energy Management
          B10CD 00 [008] - -
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 90
                    Mileage: 86710 km
                    Date: 2023.11.11
                    Time: 21:39:52

                    Voltage terminal 30: 10.8 V
                    CAN input signal(s) status-Transport mode: On
                    CAN input signal(s) status-Static current measuring mode: OFF
                    CAN input signal(s) status-Windshield wiper: OFF
                    CAN input signal(s) status-Energy management deactivation stage: Deactivation stage 1
                    CAN input signal(s) status-Wipe wash: OFF
                    CAN input signal(s) status-Rear window heater actual value: OFF
                    CAN input signal(s) status-Back-up lamp: OFF
                    CAN input signal(s) status-Actual value of windshield heater: OFF


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:| 5Q0-937-08X-HV1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 085 T    HW: 5Q0 937 085 T
   Component: BCM MQBAB HNA H16 0124
   Serial number: 00011407100583 Dataset Number: 5G0063v____ 0001
   Coding: 03011B42424122FB49E44000000C07281800000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMCONTI 012001
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_012.rod
   VCID: 4A9BD72FEDBF00C355-801E

   Wiper motor control module:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5G2 955 119 A    HW: 5G2 955 119 A  Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
   Component: WWS    140311  042 0551
   Serial number:         140312185752
   Coding: 0E4DDD

   Rain/Light Recognition Sensor:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 955 547 B    HW: 5Q0 955 547 B  Labels: 5Q0-955-547.CLB
   Component: RLHS  042 0105
   Serial number: S3Y16M09D19H11M05S30
   Coding: 008F77

1 Fault Found:
204290 - Remote key 1
          B1479 18 [009] - Current Too Low
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 49
                    Mileage: 86678 km
                    Date: 2023.10.28
                    Time: 01:00:28

                    Terminal 15 status: OFF
                    Terminal 50 status: OFF
                    CAN-Bus_aktiv: On
                    Status Bremslichtschalter (HW): OFF
                    Status Bremslichtschalter (CAN): OFF
                    OFF: operated
                    Position lamps: Not operated
                    Automatic high beam assist: Not operated
                    Low beam: Not operated
                    Parking light left: Not operated
                    Parking light right: Not operated
                    last_wakeup: no cause for fault protection
                    Voltage: 11.9 V
                    Outside temperature: 13.0  C


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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J791)       Labels:| 5Q0-919-294.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 919 294 F    HW: 5Q0 919 294 A
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H03 0142
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 39331407300586 Dataset Number: 5G0039v__A_ 0013
   Coding: 0071151011
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000 002024
   ROD: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000_002_VW37.rod
   VCID: 3E738BFFA177BC63F9-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 13: Auto Dist. Reg (J428)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-572-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 572 B    HW: 5Q0 907 572 B
   Component: ACC Bosch MQB H04 0200
   Serial number: 17031476510278 Dataset Number: 5g0114v____ 1013
   Coding: 021C1700FE0339
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACCMRRBoschVW372 001014
   ROD: EV_ACCMRRBoschVW372_VW26.rod
   VCID: 366393DF8947742321-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 14: Susp. Elect. (J250)       Labels: 5Q0-907-376.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 376     HW: 5Q0 907 376
   Component: DAEMPFUNGS-SG H15 0115
   Serial number: 20021441350282 Dataset Number: 5G0532v____ 0022
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DRCONTITEMIC 001019
   ROD: EV_DRCONTITEMIC_VW37.rod
   VCID: 76E353DFC9C73423E1-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 655 AA    HW: 5Q0 959 655 AA
   Component: AirbagVW20    014 0386
   Serial number: 003MLR04DZKG Dataset Number: 5G0003v____ 0089
   Coding: 98FCC0C0000000005C5400CF00C800000065
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X 002130
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X_VW37.rod
   VCID: 7F0DB6FBE6FD756BB2-802A

   Left seat belt tensioner:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5G0 980 945 B    HW: 5G0 980 945 B
   Component: BeltPretRevFL  H35 0341
   Serial number: 34169677B19031471253
   Coding: 333135

   Right seat belt tensioner:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5G0 980 946 B    HW: 5G0 980 946 B
   Component: BeltPretRevFR  H35 0341
   Serial number: 34169676B20031450458
   Coding: 333135

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 103 14
   Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887
   Serial number: 35767000000708342F0O
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Front Passenger's Side Airbag Crash Sensor:
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 303 14
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887
   Serial number: 358670000006B1E06F0$
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Rear Side Airbag Crash Sensor (on driver's side):
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 103 14
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  001 6149
   Serial number: 35165029D14476B281DF
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Passenger side rear thorax airbag crash sensor:
   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 103 14
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  001 6149
   Serial number: 35265029D14476B05197
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 303 14
   Component: FrontSensor_D  001 6149
   Serial number: 3556502A9142B1C382CF
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 5Q0-953-549.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 EC    HW: 5Q0 953 549 C
   Component: Lenks. Modul  002 0110
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 18031404400721
   Coding: 0C10
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSKLOMQB 017001
   ROD: EV_SMLSKLOMQB_017.rod
   VCID: 7BF542EBF2E5694B9E-802E

No ASAM data for: "EV_SMLSKLOMQB" (VW37)
No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
   Part No SW: 5G6 920 870 C    HW: 5G6 920 870 C
   Component: KOMBI         320 2210
   Coding: 27AD09187F80000E02886A03040000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 008031
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_008_VW37.rod
   VCID: 2F6DA6BB761D45EB62-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 Q    HW: 5Q0 907 530 F
   Component: GW MQB High   125 1164
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 0001735318 Dataset Number: 5G0067v____ 1613
   Coding: 030100042B085900EF00027E9C0F00010001000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   GVL: 01543C1000000600408C90000000CC0000000000000000000000000000000000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewLear 010015
   ROD: EV_GatewLear_010.rod
   VCID: 3F8DF6FBA67DB56BF2-806A

   Generator:

   Multifunction steering wheel control module:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5G0 959 442 N    HW: 5G0 959 442 N  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-DC1  H06 0038
   Serial number: 29140000373270044105
   Coding: 2DFFFF

   Battery Monitoring Control Module:
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 915 181 E    HW: 5Q0 915 181 E
   Component: J367-BDMHella  H03 8043
   Serial number: 7434212803       

No fault code found.

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Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764)       Labels:* 5Q0-905-861.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 905 861 A    HW: 5Q0 905 861 A
   Component: ELV-MQBA      H01 0120
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 14000061294003
   Coding: DD00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMQB 004111
   ROD: EV_ELVMarquMQB_004_VW37.rod
   VCID: 3467A9D79F3B66331F-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 593 B    HW: 5Q0 959 593 B
   Component: TSG FS        020 0025
   Serial number: 15031406070921 Dataset Number: 5G0222v____ 0052
   Coding: 001F1320D001048000001000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 408FF507DB83CA938B-8014

   Rear Driver Side Door Control Module:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 959 812 A    HW: 5Q0 959 812 A  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
   Component: FOND_FHSG_DRV  005 0005
   Serial number: 00000000000002157174
   Coding: 1D0000

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 909 144 F    HW: 3Q0 909 144 F
   Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  503 5043
   Dataset Number: 5G0074v____ 0452
   Coding: 9103
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 010031
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_010.rod
   VCID: 356194D394417F3B28-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 592 B    HW: 5Q0 959 592 B
   Component: TSG BFS       020 0025
   Serial number: 15031403110239 Dataset Number: 5G0157v____ 0051
   Coding: 001F1120DE01048000801000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 3F8DF6FBA67DB56BF2-806A

   Rear Passenger Door Control Module:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 959 811 A    HW: 5Q0 959 811 A  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
   Component: FOND_FHSG_PSG  005 0005
   Serial number: 00000000000002122576
   Coding: 050000

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J745)       Labels:| 7P6-907-357.clb
   Part No SW: 7P6 907 357 D    HW: 7P6 907 357 A
   Component: AFS-ECU       H07 0090
   Revision: --------    Serial number: -------------- Dataset Number: 5G0036v____ 0019
   Coding: 029603000B010200
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulVWAFSMQB 001120
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWAFSMQB.rod
   VCID: 408FF507DB83CA938B-8014

   Left Headlamp Power Output Stage:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3D0 941 329     HW: 3D0 941 329   Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: LeiMo links  H05 0012
   Coding: 2E0000

   Right Headlamp Power Output Stage:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 3D0 941 329     HW: 3D0 941 329   Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: LeiMo rechts  H05 0012
   Coding: 2E0000

No fault code found.

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Address 57: TV Tuner (R78)       Labels:* None
   Part No SW: 8V0 919 129     HW: 8V0 919 129
   Component: JP-DTV        H09 0750
   Coding: 02011C0000000100000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TVMELC 001029
   ROD: EV_TVMELC_VW37.rod
   VCID: 7DF14CF3ECF1677BA0-8028

1 Fault Found:
4096 - Digital Transmission Content Protection (DTCP)
          B12F2 F0 [008] - Signature Authentication Error
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 7
                    Reset counter: 92
                    Mileage: 86675 km
                    Date: 2023.07.11
                    Time: 08:33:08

                    Invalid authentication (DTCP): 00
                    Digital Transmission Content Protection (DTCP) device cert-Version number: 0
                    Digital Transmission Content Protection (DTCP) device cert-Length: 0
                    Digital Transmission Content Protection (DTCP) device cert-Certificate type: 0
                    Key for digital transmission protection (DTCP)-Key type: License key (DTLA)
                    Total system run time-Day: 92 d
                    Total system run time-Hours: 4 H
                    Total system run time-Minutes: 48 min
                    Voltage terminal 30: 14.3 V


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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:* None
   Part No SW: 5G0 035 050 C    HW: 5G0 035 050
   Component: MU-H-N-JP     H41 0227
   Serial number: K5F AW74A00YQJ Dataset Number: VCPVIM0000  0018
   Coding: 02730006FF00000021330001001000001F0203360100010076
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUHig4CAW7 001105
   ROD: EV_MUHig4CAW7.rod
   VCID: 1C37617717ABCE7337-8048

   Display and control head 1 for information electronics:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5G0 919 606     HW: 5G0 919 606
   Component: ABT_High  H51 0022
   Serial number: VWZ8Z9NJ600J1W   

   Data carrier:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: V03 959 802 NP    HW: -----------
   Component: JPN 2016  --- 7521
   Serial number: --------------------

   Control module for chip card reader:
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8V0 919 813 B    HW: 8V0 919 813 B
   Component: DSRC UNIT  H06 0002
   Serial number: 502300069302     

   Traffic data antenna:
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 8V0 035 504 A    HW: 8V0 035 504 A
   Component: VICS Antenna  H03 0001
   Serial number: 503090071703     

   Compact disc data bank:
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: V03 959 800 EG    HW: -----------
   Component: Gracenote  --- 2006
   Serial number: --------------------

2 Faults Found:
2569 - Antenna for Traffic Data
          B128E 31 [008] - No Signal
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 4
                    Reset counter: 94
                    Mileage: 86678 km
                    Date: 2023.10.28
                    Time: 00:01:09

                    Voltage terminal 30: 14.8 V

6670 - Optical Data Bus for TV-Tuner
          U10CD 00 [008] - Intermittent Disruption
          [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 94
                    Mileage: 86711 km
                    Date: 2023.11.15
                    Time: 10:39:41

                    Voltage terminal 30: 12.0 V
                    Temperature of MOST transceiver-max.value: -50  C
                    Temperature of MOST transceiver-min.value: -23  C
                    Temperature of MOST transceiver-Up-to-date: 8  C


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Address A5: Frt Sens. Drv. Assist (R242)       Labels:| 5Q0-980-653.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 980 653 F    HW: 5Q0 980 653
   Component: MQB_MFK       H05 0052
   Serial number: 10000052390    Dataset Number: 5G0HL1v____ 0044
   Coding: 0100010000020303000400000101010100
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MFKBoschAU370 001001
   ROD: EV_MFKBoschAU370.rod
   VCID: 3B7582EBB265A94BDE-806E

No fault code found.

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Address A9: Struct. Borne Sound (J869)       Labels: 4H0-907-159.clb
   Part No SW: 5G0 907 159     HW: 4H0 907 159 A
   Component: SAS-GEN 2     H06 0013
   Serial number: 140302200145
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SoundActuaGen2AU64X 003010
   ROD: EV_SoundActuaGen2AU64X.rod
   VCID: 6BD572AB8285F9CB0E-803E

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 05:20)--------------------------
 
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SNDempsey

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Car(s)
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Ok well an update before Don gets back to me.

My friend gave me his laptop and cable and I cleared codes for the engine and HVAC as I thought be no harm.. Started the car as it wasn't running in 2 days, cars running abit and randomly get static from radio station that's on from all speakers , quickly connected Bluetooth and audio was blasting away through every speaker. I didn't touch any wiring!

Turned car off and back on, no audio again. Held power button to reset unit and got audio again. Turned off and back on and now no audio and reset doesn't sort it.

Strange behaviour.

Edit : Couldn't replicate what happened today. Im wondering is the unit faulty?
 
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DV52

Drag Racing Champion
Location
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Scott: Thanks for the SCAN report and for the additional information - yes indeed, very "strange behaviour"!!!

First: as to your question "wondering if the unit is faulty" - I don't think so because a faulty MIB would be reported as such in your SCAN (even if there was an intermittent fault) -and it is not. The reported SCAN errors in the hex5F module relate to peripherals - not the module itself!

My reading of your SCAN is that the MIB on this car is perfectly happy to NOT provide audio - but the reason for this contentment is not immediately apparent (to me, at least) other than it seems to be a situation that has been programmed into the operation of the module, itself (IMO, of course)

Hmm.... I'm struggling to make confident suggestions about this car - but if you are prepared to chase my more fanciful guesses, maybe consider the following:

On your SCAN, the MIB is reported as the module : Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794) and the Component ID is stated as MU-H-N-JP. "JP" means that the Country Code that is factory-set in this module is "Japan" (not surprisingly)

And this is a more readable form of the long-code string on the MIB:
Code:
Byte  Hex    Binary
00    02    00000010
01    73    01110011
02    00    00000000
03    06    00000110
04    FF    11111111
05    00    00000000
06    00    00000000
07    00    00000000
08    21    00100001
09    33    00110011
10    00    00000000
11    01    00000001
12    00    00000000
13    10    00010000
14    00    00000000
15    00    00000000
16    1F    00011111
17    02    00000010
18    03    00000011
19    36    00110110
20    01    00000001
21    00    00000000
22    01    00000001
23    00    00000000
24    76    01110110

I'm not sure how familiar you are with Hexadecimal and Binary numbers- but Binary numbers are read from right-to-left - so the right-most digit is Bit 0 and the left-most digit is Bit 7

As currently coded and as shown in my list above, your Byte 3 =hex06. This Byte tells the MIB which part of the world-map the SATNAV should use. The value hex06=Japan (again, not surprisingly)

So far - everything seem perfectly OK. However, as shown on your SCAN, the TV tuner reports a violation of Digital Transmission Content Protection (DTCP). I assume that this fault is stll current. DTCP is a digital rights management technology that restricts applications like televisions by encrypting interconnections between devices.

Now- I have no idea about the digital TV transmission protocols used in Japan and Ireland - but clearly (somehow) the tv module in this car has recognized that it's recieving content which has DTCP certificates that are different to the licenses that have been built into the module. Hence the reported error.

I've not seen the 4096 - Digital Transmission Content Protection (DTCP) error before and I can find no information about it on the web!

However (and I'm guessing here) given this error and my reference above to DTCP "encrypting interconnections between devices" - it's not unreasonable to assume that the audio amplifier in the MIB could be implicated in this fault. Again for emphasis - I'm guessing!!

My hunch is that you managed to get noise from the speakers because in clearing the faults on this car - you also cleared the 4096 error. Howver, some time after using the car- the reception by the tv tuner was such that the same 4096 error was eventually re-registered in the module - hence no noise again!!

So maybe/perhaps you could try disabling the TV tuner (temprarily in the first instance) so that MIB amplifier is isolated from the possible effects of DTCP violation in the tv tuner? There are a number of ways of doing this - but probably unplugging connector E in my RX6 diagram above is the easiest method (this connector carries the battery supply for the tv tuner) . Of course this action will generate a number of errors - but you can deal with these later. It might also be prudent to re-set the MIB as a part of this suggestion

Don
 
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SNDempsey

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Car(s)
MK7 GTI
I know it's a guess but I'm more than happy to keep going down this rabbit hole. If we can get it rectified then all this information will surely help another owner somewhere someday. At least today's testing has ruled out the high/low converter and wiring.

I did clear the DTCP code today actually and maybe that's why I got audio until car was switched off and back on. I don't think I rescanned afterwards as laptop battery was going dead.

I'll pull the E plug on the TV tuner tomorrow and report back. Fingers crossed!

Much appreciated again Don.
 

SNDempsey

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Location
Cork City
Car(s)
MK7 GTI
Well Don, today was uneventful.

Plugged out the power to the TV tuner , cleared all codes and still no audio.

Only related codes I had was TV tuner module not detected and an optical bus error.

Once TV tuner was reconnected the DTCP error came back which I cleared. Still no audio. Reset the MIB by holding the power button and audio randomly came back. Reset the unit a few times audio remained, then out of nowhere it was gone again and I couldn't replicate it even when resetting the DTCP error again.

I went out awhile ago messing about and resetting the unit a few times brought audio back, then it would disappear again with a reset.

I'm at a loss at this stage so this is what I'm considering next. I found a guide (In Russian that Google does well to translate) that converts my JP unit to EU, in the guide everything about their unit matches mine exactly.

Convert Japanese Discover Pro MHIG_JP_VW_S0227 to MHIG_EU_VW_K1550.

I need to use something called More Incredible Bash but it all looks extremely straight forward and suppose nothing really to lose? If the unit wasn't giving me issues I'd of having to do this anyway to get the EU maps. A local guy wants €350 to change it to EU. No chance I'm paying that.

I was looking for a MIB2 unit but that's abit of a minefield with all the diff part numbers etc.

If you think Ive nothing to lose by changing the firmware then let me know and that can be tomorrows task when SDXC card arrives.
 
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