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How to retro-fit a bigger capacity battery to a MK7 Golf.

golfdave

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Location
Scotland
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MK7 Golf GT Estate
How to retro-fit a bigger capacity battery to a Mk7 Golf.

WARNING:- If you have the “Stop/Start” feature (look for the BCM wire on the battery “-“ terminal), or have a BCM (Battery Control Module) which shows up in VCDS, then Adaption channels in the CAN Gateway 19 module need to be changed & VCDS (or similar) is required for this.

Vehicle used in this guide:-
UK spec, 2014yr model, Mk7 Golf Estate (GSW), GT (Highline) trim, 1.4lt TSI (140PS) CHPA petrol engine, MQ250 6speed manual gearbox, multilink rear suspension.

Vehicles that this guide is applicable to:-
Any VAG “MQB” platform cars (not Hybrids or Electrics).

Introduction:-
Why do this? Well in my case I have Stop-Start, heated seats, heated front windscreen, satnav, Dynaudio, Bi-Xenon’s/LED DRL’s, 2Zone climate, so lots of “load”!! So what do VW fit? A small 027 case size, 59Ah, 320A (DIN), 640A (EN/SAE), EFB type!

Research:-
After lots of phoning to battery manufacturers & motor parts suppliers, I gained the following information. They all state for my car & chassis I should have an 096 size, 70Ah, 760A (EN/SAE) AGM type! The capacities that VW use to describe the batteries in ETKA are their own “special” build ones & do not correspond to normal battery type sizes/capacities! I contacted Varta who make some of the batteries & they confirmed that standard case sizes are used but that the capacities are “special” for those same sizes. Basically VW are confusing us by making sure we end up buying a direct replacement from them when in fact a standard case with standard capacities which is available from any supplier will fit!!!

Now looking at the battery tray the clamp has three positions for three different sizes of battery. My battery had the clamp in the middle position which is an 027 case, & the biggest position is for an 096 case size. I wouldn’t bother with the smallest clamp position!!

Varta specifications:- sizes are industry norms, capacities are standard.
Battery case size 027:- 242mm long, 175mm wide, 190mm high
Black Dynamic (Standard type) = 56Ah, 480A (EN/SAE)
Blue Dynamic EFB (E.F.B. type) = 60Ah, 560A (EN/SAE)
Silver Dynamic AGM (A.G.M. type) = 60Ah, 680A (EN/SAE)

Battery case size 096:- 278mm long, 175mm wide, 190mm high
Black Dynamic (Standard type) = 70Ah, 640A (EN/SAE)
Blue Dynamic EFB (E.F.B. type) = 70Ah, 650A (EN/SAE)
Silver Dynamic AGM (A.G.M. type) = 70Ah, 760A (EN/SAE)

Now if you have the “Start-Stop” feature on your car, You must have either an EFB or an AGM battery installed, due to the cyclic nature of the Stop-Start feature, which will kill a standard battery! If your current battery says EFB on it you can fit either an EFB or AGM. However if your battery says AGM on it, you must replace with an AGM type!
So what’s the advantage of an EFB or an AGM?

E.F.B. (Enhanced Flooded Battery):- These usually have two times (x2) the cycle starts compared to a standard battery. They are still a standard battery (hybrid version), so cannot be held upside down & will leak if the case is broken. Basically the car industry wanted a cheaper version of the AGM battery to fit to Stop-Start engine technology. EFB is the result!

A.G.M. (Absorbent Glass Mat) battery:-
These usually have three times (x3) the cycle starts compared to a standard battery. In these the liquids have been absorbed by a framework of glass fibre mats. There is no liquid to move around, so they can be held upside down, & are leakproof if the case is broken! These are the safest in a crash which is why they have been used in racing/rallying for years! Unfortunately they are also the most expensive!

http://www.varta-automotive.com/en-g...cts/automotive

What about Lithium-Ion batteries?:- Firstly they are VERY expensive & make AGM look cheap! Although they are used in racing, motorcycles, Porsche RS, etc., they could be used, but case size would have to be the same as the smallest battery VW make for the Golf Mk7. I wouldn't recommend due to high cost/ low benefits unless you are stripping everything out of your MK7 to go racing & are looking for the perfect set-up!!!

Misc:-
Varta make the batteries for Bosch, & they bought the old Delco Remy Freedom battery brand! Now I can get Bosch easier than a Varta where I live so I opted for their top end S5 AGM 096 size, 70Ah, 760A. (Bosch have just re-branded their range so the old AGM was (S6) & EFB was (S5), both are now S5 but AGM & EFB, I checked this with Bosch UK).

Also I have a CTEK MXS 10, 12V battery charger which does trickle, AGM batteries, & acts as a 12V supply (this stops the ECU’s losing their settings when disconnecting the battery).
http://www.ctek.com/gb/en/chargers/MXS 10

Parts required:-
You also have to get a new bigger fabric insulation cover for the battery from the parts dept at the dealers! But which one, as VW info is special to their batteries! So after talking to Varta re sizes etc, I bought the VW cover below as the VW AGM battery 68Ah/380A (DIN) (VW part No 000 915 105CC) is in fact an 096 case size! The cover is a perfect fit!

VAG ETKA illustration for VW Golf Mk7/Electrics/No.915-000,
Parts list & approx. costs in UK £
Item No.3:- 7N0 915 429A, Black plastic cover for + terminal clamp/cable join, £?.?? (x1)
Item No.4:- 5Q0 971 813A, Black plastic cover flap for battery “+”, £1.58 (x1) ***
Item No.5:- 5Q0 971 813, Black plastic cover flap for battery “-“ , £?.?? (x1)
Item No.12:- 5Q0 915 411B, protective battery case with flap for battery 68AH/380A AGM, for vehicles with, or without stop start £23.02 (x1) (this item has been superseded by part code 5Q0 915 411H) ***
*** = Only these items required from the dealers in my project! ***

Fitting:-
To remove the battery:-
Using a 13mm hex socket I removed the battery clamp bolt & the clamping plate. I then removed the black plastic flap over the “-“ (Item No.5) & the black plastic cover over the “+” cable terminal (Item No.3). Then using a deep 10mm socket I loosened (but did not remove) the clamping bolts on both the battery cable terminals. I then connected my 12V supply to the battery cable terminal + & then to the car body - “Bayonet” & switched on the 12V supply. Now I prefer to wear thick rubber gauntlets just in case! Carefully slide the battery forward to the front of the tray, then remove the – cable first & the + cable from the battery last. I also have other rubber gloves to wrap the terminal of the cables in (taking care not to dislodge the 12V supply connections).

To fit the new battery:- Hopefully you will have pre-bent/creased the folds correctly in the new fabric battery insulation cover, & have it fitted over the new bigger battery. You will have realised these batteries are heavy (20kg circa), so carefully place the battery in the front part of the tray. Now connect the + first & then the – cables to the battery & partly tighten the clamps up (enough to hold in place). Now slide the battery back into the rear right hand corner (nearest the suspension turret top). This is because there is a hold down lip in the rear & right hand side of the battery tray which helps to hold the battery in place! Now refit the battery clamping plate & the clamping plate bolt, & use a torque setting of 15Nm (11lbft). Then for the battery terminal clamp nuts a torque setting of 6Nm (4.4lbft). Now remove the 12V supply & replace the black plastic cover for the + cable terminal (Item No.3), & black plastic flap over the “-“ (Item No.5).

VCDS coding required:-
From the Main screen:-
Select Control Module [Select]
[19-CAN Gateway]
Advanced Functions screen:-
[Adaptions-10]
New value choice screen:-
Change the following four channels, inputting the relevant data about the new battery.
IDE03256-MAS06105-Battery adaptation-Rated battery capacity,
IDE03256-MAS06106-Battery adaptation-Battery technology,
IDE03256-MAS06107-Battery adaptation-Battery manufacturer,
IDE03256-MAS06108-Battery adaptation-Battery Serial Number,

Battery BEM codes are now redundant with the above separate channels. The most important channels are, Rated battery capacity, Battery technology, & Battery Serial Number. For the Battery Serial Number, just change one digit of the old one. This channel tells the BCM that a new battery has been installed & to relearn the new battery & forget any “learnt values” for the old battery!

Further considerations on fitting:-
Currently there is no “hard” plastic case made for the battery & the Mk6 one will not fit without major modifications & requiring the base tray! All the Golf’s that I have seen only have the black plastic flap over the – terminal (to stop you jump starting from that point due to the “Stop/Start” function). I always prefer a solid cover over the + of the battery as this is safer! So I also retro-fitted the black plastic flap over the + terminal (Item No.4).

Results:-
Much better starting, more “instant” even if the car has been left for a week!

Conclusions:-
Considering that the tray will take a much bigger battery this is yet again, another perfect example of penny pinching from the bean counters at VAG!!
 

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tomcat2

New member
Location
Singapore
Thanks Dave. Would you know if it is a direct swap of a MK V Golf GTi plastic battery housing with the cloth cover enclosure of the MK 7 ?

TIA
 

golfdave

Go Kart Champion
Location
Scotland
Ride
MK7 Golf GT Estate
Thanks Dave. Would you know if it is a direct swap of a MK V Golf GTi plastic battery housing with the cloth cover enclosure of the MK 7 ?

TIA
Don't think so as the base tray is different & the plastic sides need to lock into the base tray.
 

Kaze

New member
Location
San Jose, CA
Just tried out the new 15.7 VCDS version, & you can now change the serial numbers & Manufacturer details & basically input any alphanumeric values. The manufacturers name however it shortens to the first three characters after accepting the value.
Hi Dave,

Thank you for all the information, appreciate it.
Looking to upgrade my battery too!

Do you think this will fit in my US GTI MK7:
http://www.autozone.com/batteries-starting-and-charging/battery/duralast-platinum-battery/319460_0_0/

It has the same dimensions but has a CA of 875A. Is that too high?

Thanks!
 

golfdave

Go Kart Champion
Location
Scotland
Ride
MK7 Golf GT Estate
Hi Dave,

Thank you for all the information, appreciate it.
Looking to upgrade my battery too!

Do you think this will fit in my US GTI MK7:
http://www.autozone.com/batteries-starting-and-charging/battery/duralast-platinum-battery/319460_0_0/

It has the same dimensions but has a CA of 875A. Is that too high?

Thanks!
That looks all OK, having a high cold crank will not affect the car. Remember if you have the wires connected to the minus "-" battery terminal you have a BCM & need to recode it to input the new correct data using VCDS. :cool:

Thanks a lot for the very informative post. We really appreciate it! :)
Thanks!.............;)
 

mevlutunlu

New member
Location
Turkey
I have a situation. I installed a new battery and it is 62Ah 600A. The original one was 59Ah 300A (maybe 350A can't remember). Can this be a problem in long term? I haven't done any coding.
 

golfdave

Go Kart Champion
Location
Scotland
Ride
MK7 Golf GT Estate
I have a situation. I installed a new battery and it is 62Ah 600A. The original one was 59Ah 300A (maybe 350A can't remember). Can this be a problem in long term? I haven't done any coding.
As in my OP do you have stop/start feature on your car? Do you have a BCM for the battery control visible in VCDS? If so then you need to do coding. & in the long term the control modules will not be able to monitor the battery correctly as it requires to be told what the type & capacity of the battery is to correctly control various functions.
 

golfdave

Go Kart Champion
Location
Scotland
Ride
MK7 Golf GT Estate
That's this "How to" guide cleaned up a bit with re-done pics, more upto date VCDS info & text layout.
 

TecklenburgVW

Go Kart Champion
Location
Saint Cloud, FL
What about Lithium-Ion batteries?:- Firstly they are VERY expensive & make AGM look cheap! Although they are used in racing, motorcycles, Porsche RS, etc., they could be used, but case size would have to be the same as the smallest battery VW make for the Golf Mk7. I wouldn't recommend due to high cost/ low benefits unless you are stripping everything out of your MK7 to go racing & are looking for the perfect set-up!!!


VCDS coding required:-
From the Main screen:-
Select Control Module [Select]
[19-CAN Gateway]
Advanced Functions screen:-
[Adaptions-10]
New value choice screen:-
Change the following four channels, inputting the relevant data about the new battery.
IDE03256-MAS06105-Battery adaptation-Rated battery capacity,
IDE03256-MAS06106-Battery adaptation-Battery technology,
IDE03256-MAS06107-Battery adaptation-Battery manufacturer,
IDE03256-MAS06108-Battery adaptation-Battery Serial Number,

Battery BEM codes are now redundant with the above separate channels. The most important channels are, Rated battery capacity, Battery technology, & Battery Serial Number. For the Battery Serial Number, just change one digit of the old one. This channel tells the BCM that a new battery has been installed & to relearn the new battery & forget any “learnt values” for the old battery!
Golf Dave,

Thank you for the information; I recently purchased a Braille Battery GU1R because my OEM battery died. I assume I need to do the above VAGcom coding using my Ross-Tech cable, but I'm curious if I can do the coding with the engine on, off or either?

 

golfdave

Go Kart Champion
Location
Scotland
Ride
MK7 Golf GT Estate
Golf Dave,

Thank you for the information; I recently purchased a Braille Battery GU1R because my OEM battery died. I assume I need to do the above VAGcom coding using my Ross-Tech cable, but I'm curious if I can do the coding with the engine on, off or either?

Correct you need to do the above

engine off but ignition on as always with VCDS when doing coding...only time engine on & running with VCDS is logging..;)
 

TecklenburgVW

Go Kart Champion
Location
Saint Cloud, FL
Correct you need to do the above

engine off but ignition on as always with VCDS when doing coding...only time engine on & running with VCDS is logging..;)
Are you familiar with the Mk. 6 CAN? I was told that in the Mk.6 platform you can drop in the GU1R and the vehicle self learns the new battery so no coding is required. I had hoped that the Mk.7 platform would react the same.

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golfdave

Go Kart Champion
Location
Scotland
Ride
MK7 Golf GT Estate
Are you familiar with the Mk. 6 CAN? I was told that in the Mk.6 platform you can drop in the GU1R and the vehicle self learns the new battery so no coding is required. I had hoped that the Mk.7 platform would react the same.

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Yes & yes...

However by using VCDS it speeds things up & the battery life is better used. Also with either an AGM or lithium which are very different to standard or EFB batteries the MK7 platform might not auto adapt..or make full use of the battery.

The MK7 electronics are very advanced...best to tell it with VCDS as to what battery it has....better safe than sorry in my book..:cool:
 

TecklenburgVW

Go Kart Champion
Location
Saint Cloud, FL
Yes & yes...

However by using VCDS it speeds things up & the battery life is better used. Also with either an AGM or lithium which are very different to standard or EFB batteries the MK7 platform might not auto adapt..or make full use of the battery.

The MK7 electronics are very advanced...best to tell it with VCDS as to what battery it has....better safe than sorry in my book..:cool:
I definitely agree with you; however, I'm not sure the adaptation via VCDS will allow me to code in the Braille Battery GU1R correctly.

I believe via adaptation we only have three types to choose from: Wet, AGM or EFB. Which one is the most similar to Lithium, AGM?

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golfdave

Go Kart Champion
Location
Scotland
Ride
MK7 Golf GT Estate
I believe via adaptation we only have three types to choose from: Wet, AGM or EFB. Which one is the most similar to Lithium, AGM?

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I last time I looked there were more than 3 type..maybe 6 types in the options in VCDS in the BCM..
 

Elwood

3-7-77
Location
Long Beach, CA
For interested people on this side of the pond:
Battery sizes UK 027 and UK 096 don't exist in North America. If you're looking for the larger battery, look for Group 48 batteries. There aren't a lot around, but they are available.

Here are three:

Interstate MT7 48/H6 730 CCA (CostCo sells a Group 29 Interstate battery which is not available elsewhere, but would fit)
NorthStar Group 48 Battery NSB-AGM48 L3,H6
Deka Intimidator 9A48 Battery

BTW, My 2007 GTI had the larger battery in it. VW is just cutting corners (as we suspected).
 
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