GTD clutches/remapping/tuning boxes

[chrismc]

Hello all

What is the general consensus with the clutch on the GTD? How robust is it?

Given the engine already peaks at 280lbs/ft I'm not sure throwing an extra ~50-70 lbs/ft peak at the clutch is gonna allow it to last.

Is the GTD clutch different from earlier mk4/5/6's? I know these have a reputation for slipping/DMF failure.

Be interested to hear from anyone running a remap & who has covered some decent mileage with/without issues.

Chris

 

[MrPotatoHead1]

Hello all

What is the general consensus with the clutch on the GTD? How robust is it?

Given the engine already peaks at 280lbs/ft I'm not sure throwing an extra ~50-70 lbs/ft peak at the clutch is gonna allow it to last.

Is the GTD clutch different from earlier mk4/5/6's? I know these have a reputation for slipping/DMF failure.

Be interested to hear from anyone running a remap & who has covered some decent mileage with/without issues.

Chris

I'm sure I have read on here that Carbon chip tuning have been running their remap on their own GTD for over 30k miles and haven't reported any issues yet so the clutch must be pretty good.

Rappy is the probably the best man to talk to about the remap

 

[richiekuk]

The DSG clutches aren't as strong as the manual clutch.
I've known clutch judder at low RPM with big throttle openings.
Nick at Carbon Chip Tuning said he could alter the map to reduce torque. But as the DSG box generally drops a gear a this point anyway I have left it and now "drive around" the problem.
The Carbon Chip Tuning car is a manual.

 

[chrismc]

Hmm- I only ask as the mk7 GTi & Golf R clutches have a pretty poor reputation it seems? Loads of info if you google it....failures/slipping issues at well under 10k miles��

 

[Jamzo64]

I was having this very same conversation the other day at a very well respected VAG specialist garage. Gearbox and clutches are pretty much universal throughout the range of VAG vehicles, so a 1.6 gearbox/clutch combo will be very similar to ones fitted to more powerful variants such as VW's GTI, GTD and R.

Increasing the power by means of a remap on lower powered models will of course be fine but there are known issues hiking the power of the R or Audi's S1 & S3 as it pushes the clutch to the very limit.

That said, I know of vehicles with the both the TSI and TFSI engine variants comfortably running 280 BHP and 320 ft/lbs with no issues at all ..... but what the limit is beyond that who knows!

 

[chrismc]

That's my worry.

280lbs/ft stock in the GTD- so would easily exceed 320lbs/ft mapped. Given the more narrow powerband on a derv it all comes in with a bang from 1750rpm upwards. Loads of strain....

 

[Jamzo64]

That's my worry.

280lbs/ft stock in the GTD- so would easily exceed 320lbs/ft mapped. Given the more narrow powerband on a derv it all comes in with a bang from 1750rpm upwards. Loads of strain....

The following is RR data from a run in a Skoda Octavia vRS TDI (MY15) with a Superchips Bluefin map installed, it uses exactly the same running gear as the GTD so will have similar performance characteristics when mapped so I think you'll be Ok .....

 

[chrismc]

The following is RR data from a run in a Skoda Octavia vRS TDI (MY15) with a Superchips Bluefin map installed, it uses exactly the same running gear as the GTD so will have similar performance characteristics when mapped so I think you'll be Ok .....

Something like that would be ideal- a sniff over 200bhp is something less than a lot of the claims- far more believable from a Dyno Dynamics RR though...

 

[rapport25]

I thought I should add my comments

Exactly the same rolling road as Carbon .

Mine has just rolled over 25k with zero issues. As mentioned numerous times. From Carbon you are paying for a custom map, that is developed for the GTD. Not a generic map for the engine.

Also, Superchips is an afternoon on the road & rollers vs a few months work and tweaked on the rollers.

It's your money end of the day. My next car will hopefully go to Nick to develop a unique map the same as he did on the GTD.

Hope that helps,

Rappy

 

[Jamzo64]

I thought I should add my comments

Exactly the same rolling road as Carbon .

Mine has just rolled over 25k with zero issues. As mentioned numerous times. From Carbon you are paying for a custom map, that is developed for the GTD. Not a generic map for the engine.

Also, Superchips is an afternoon on the road & rollers vs a few months work and tweaked on the rollers.

It's your money end of the day. My next car will hopefully go to Nick to develop a unique map the same as he did on the GTD.

Hope that helps,

Rappy

There are a number of smaller tuning outfits such as Carbon that all like to claim that they have something more to offer than the established tuning companies such as REVO, Superchips and APR, but in my experience most invariably fall short at some point so either a) listen to the hype from the forum 'experts' or b) take advice from established VAG tuning specialists .... I know where my money will go.

Anyway, the question was about the durability of the clutch to handle additional power and torque and the general view is that it'll be Ok!

Hope this helps too

 

[Jamzo64]

As a newbie, you may not of seen my many posts nearly touching 1000.

... and chances are you won't have seen any of the 8,940 posts I've made in another VAG related forum

And your knowledge on Carbon is based on what?.

My experience of other many smaller tuning outfits when comparing them to the established tuning specialists, there is nothing to suggest Carbon are going to be any different but I'm open to being proved otherwise.

 

[rapport25]

... and chances are you won't have seen any of the 8,940 posts I've made in another VAG related forum


My experience of other many smaller tuning outfits when comparing them to the established tuning specialists, there is nothing to suggest Carbon are going to be any different but I'm open to being proved otherwise.

Let's start again .

Welcome .

I would give Nick a call & you will see why.

All the best,

Rappy

 

[chrismc]

I'm also well-experienced in remaps/tuning of VAG & Honda motors.

I'd have to agree that the modern world of remaps/reflashes are full of pitfalls- every man & his dog are jumping onboard.

I'm certainly not interested in peak figures/what my GTD will burn off or other such willy-waving antics.

As a family-wagon id actually like a few more MPGs coupled with some more overtaking puff- but importantly that it isn't at the expense of reliability & ultra-short clutch life.

Nothing I've experienced with VAG stuff so far really fills me with confidence :-/

 

[ROBK75]

I've had my remap for almost 20k miles, 230bhp and 370lbs/ft and haven't experienced any issues at all yet (fingers crossed).

 

[golfhappy]

I've had my remap for almost 20k miles, 230bhp and 370lbs/ft and haven't experienced any issues at all yet (fingers crossed).

What companies map are you running?