Golf Mk7 sport monitor no temperature value

[Adam Abu Toamy]

Hi
I have a golf mk7 1.4t 2013
I have discover pro 9.2 inch infotainment system and i have the sport monitor
The g force is working
But for some reason it doesn't display oil and engine temperature and it stays like this ------
My gateway is high so i dont think this is the problem

 

[Cuzoe]

Doesn't matter if you gateway is mid or high. It's a combination of gateway and engines software. Some combinations provide all the data, others don't. There's no comprehensive list anywhere that I have ever seen. So if you add sport monitor to a car that didn't come with it's just luck of the draw.

 

[DV52]

hmm......... to add to my colleague's sage response - what's the back story for the sport monitor function on this car? Was it factory fitted, or was it retrofitted. If the latter, was a FEC used?

And also the same questions about the MIB - factory fitted, or retro-fitted?

Any errors on the SCAN report?

Don

 

[GTI Jake]

Even if equipped, it won’t display temperature until the car is in a certain temperature range.

US Spec cars I believe that’s 125*F or so, maybe more.

 

[Cuzoe]

I certainly made a bunch of assumptions there without realizing, haha...

Car up to temp, Sport monitor "retrofitted" which really just means activation of that FEC in the infotainment. Has to have been some type of retrofit done for a 2013 to have the 9.2" screen. I would assume that car came with MIB 1. But even if it came with MIB 2 High it would need a software conversion to work with the 9.2" screen.

 

[Adam Abu Toamy]

hmm......... to add to my colleague's sage response - what's the back story for the sport monitor function on this car? Was it factory fitted, or was it retrofitted. If the latter, was a FEC used?

And also the same questions about the MIB - factory fitted, or retro-fitted?

Any errors on the SCAN report?

Don

Its retrofited
I've changed the screen and the headunit to mib2 discover pro
And changed the gateway to high and removed the component protection by odis
No errors
The G force is working but the wierd thing that temperatures doesn't although i can see the oil and engine temperature on the instrument

 

[Adam Abu Toamy]

Even if equipped, it won’t display temperature until the car is in a certain temperature range.

US Spec cars I believe that’s 125*F or so, maybe more.

It doesn't at all even when the temp is over 125 F

 

[DV52]

The G force is working but the wierd thing that temperatures doesn't although i can see the oil and engine temperature on the instrument

hmm........ "The G force is working"? Is it really working? The G force reading in your picture above is zero - showing zero doesn't mean G force "is working". Does the G force reading change from zero on this car?

AFAIK, this function is SWAP (Software As Product) - meaning that it needs a license that's tailored to the car's VIN (called a FEC -Facility Enable Code). Normally these licenses are purchased from VW and if installed, they appear in the MIB as 00060400 - Performance Monitor/ Sport HMI. Does this FEC appear on your new MIB - google how to display FECs on the version MIB in this car?

Don

 

[Cuzoe]

Activating the FEC Is required to even see that display. The problem is not unusual for cars that did not come with Sport HMI.

When retrofitting any later MIB it's generally trivial to activate it. But any retrofitter worth their salt will tell you that it's luck of the draw whether all (or any) of the gauges will work.

 

[Adam Abu Toamy]

hmm........ "The G force is working"? Is it really working? The G force reading in your picture above is zero - showing zero doesn't mean G force "is working". Does the G force reading change from zero on this car?

AFAIK, this function is SWAP (Software As Product) - meaning that it needs a license that's tailored to the car's VIN (called a FEC -Facility Enable Code). Normally these licenses are purchased from VW and if installed, they appear in the MIB as 00060400 - Performance Monitor/ Sport HMI. Does this FEC appear on your new MIB - google how to display FECs on the version MIB in this car?

Don

G force is 0 because the car is not moving but it works when start driving

And yes the FEC 00060400 appears on my new MIB

Thats why i think its weird that the system isn't showing temperatures although that they are displayed on the instruments

 

[Adam Abu Toamy]

Activating the FEC Is required to even see that display. The problem is not unusual for cars that did not come with Sport HMI.

When retrofitting any later MIB it's generally trivial to activate it. But any retrofitter worth their salt will tell you that it's luck of the draw whether all (or any) of the gauges will work.

I really don't think it's luck matter
Normal the gateway that decides if the gauges will work
If you change the gateway you can see that the gauges actually change
The gateway that I have is high and supports g force wich is working and turbo boost but my engine doesn't have this sensor
and engine and oil temperature wich you can see in the instruments meaning that the gateway is getting these information but for some reason they are not displayed on the screen

 

[Adam Abu Toamy]

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I will post soon a vcds scan maybe this will help

 

[Cuzoe]

I really don't think it's luck matter
Normal the gateway that decides if the gauges will work
If you change the gateway you can see that the gauges actually change
The gateway that I have is high and supports g force wich is working and turbo boost but my engine doesn't have this sensor
and engine and oil temperature wich you can see in the instruments meaning that the gateway is getting these information but for some reason they are not displayed on the screen

What you are seeing is not something new. It has been talked about for years. When I did MIB 2 retrofit several years ago it was a known issue. My retrofitter was surprised all the gauges worked on my NAR TDI (which never came with Sport HMI). They encouraged me not to activate but I asked them to do it anyway.

Some ECU/Gateway software does not have everything available on the bus to the infotainment. Doesn't matter mid/high gateway. Everything worked in my car with my mid gateway.

Your car has a turbo pressure sensor. Requested boost versus actual boost is one part of engine tuning. And you would get a fault for under/over boost if actual is too far from requested. The oil temperature you see in the instrument may even be the calculated (by the ECU) temp and not an actual sensor reading. None of this paragraph really matters though, because it doesn't mean the data is available to the infotainment.

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I will post soon a vcds scan maybe this will help

You can post a scan, and ad-map of 5F as well. But coding/adaptations have not been the issue for anymore in the past. Maybe you'll be the lucky one .

 

[Adam Abu Toamy]

What you are seeing is not something new. It has been talked about for years. When I did MIB 2 retrofit several years ago it was a known issue. My retrofitter was surprised all the gauges worked on my NAR TDI (which never came with Sport HMI). They encouraged me not to activate but I asked them to do it anyway.

Some ECU/Gateway software does not have everything available on the bus to the infotainment. Doesn't matter mid/high gateway. Everything worked in my car with my mid gateway.

Your car has a turbo pressure sensor. Requested boost versus actual boost is one part of engine tuning. And you would get a fault for under/over boost if actual is too far from requested. The oil temperature you see in the instrument may even be the calculated (by the ECU) temp and not an actual sensor reading. None of this paragraph really matters though, because it doesn't mean the data is available to the infotainment.


You can post a scan, and ad-map of 5F as well. But coding/adaptations have not been the issue for anymore in the past. Maybe you'll be the lucky one .

Maybe I hope
But Is there is a way to make this data available to the infotainment? Is it possible to change the bus to infotainment or make communication between 5F and the ECU or something like that?

 

[Cuzoe]

Maybe I hope
But Is there is a way to make this data available to the infotainment? Is it possible to change the bus to infotainment or make communication between 5F and the ECU or something like that?

I don't know that anybody will invest time modifying gateway or ECU software just for this feature. You can get oil and water temperature in the instruments. I guess g meter is kind of interesting but if you have high g's you should probably be looking at the road, haha. Boost gauge includes ambient pressure, so you always have to do math and It only seems to update two or three times a second, so it's not all that useful.

The second problem is the only way to really figure out exactly what needs to be done in software would be for someone to start a database. People would have to put in their information on which gauges work and their ECU and gateway software. Then someone would have to get all of the working and non-working software and be able to decompile it or look through it to find the differences.

You have to find a combination of people that are capable and motivated. More impressive things have been done in the VAG community for sure. But there was more benefit for those efforts. There are plenty of really nice solutions to see all the info that Sport HMI shows and none of them take up the infotainment screen.