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- Vienna, VA
- 2018 Alltrack SE DSG
I watched your newest YouTube video this morning. Great content, great wagon!
Thank you and appreciate it. I have one more to make today....I watched your newest YouTube video this morning. Great content, great wagon!
Hey thanks for all your informative posts, much obliged. The Steve Dinan interview was super informative and appreciated as well. Highly recommend to anyone that appreciates honest, logical, technical (race and street) car talk.View attachment 258855
So I decided to nerd-out as I do and do some suspension measurements to figure my droop and bump travel. My setup is GSW w/4Mo + DSG, Bilstein B8s, Eurosport Street camber mounts, H&R Sport springs. Beyond those primary bits, I have H&R f./r. upgraded sway bars (27mm/25mm, respectively), 034 adjustable f. end links, Moog r. end links, Superpro aluminum LCAs, and the Tyrolsport f. deadset kit and 034 r. subrame inserts. What I did was measure the static level by doing wheel lip to fender lip both f. and r. and then jack up each until the wheels were off the ground and take the measurements again. Both were the same; 3.5" so 3.5" droop/extension travel. Next I was able to contact Bilstein and get the specs on each damper including total shaft travel/length and for the fronts the internal jaunce bumper length. I was able to find the r. jaunce bumper length by part no. Then I did some video testing to measure the actual bump travel up front using a speed bump. Data below:
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So bottom line is, I don't have nearly as much travel up front as I thought I would have. Would be ideal to be at a 70/30% bump to droop ratio in my mind but I'd need to be able to pre-load the springs a bit to get that travel in that range and increase my ride height a bit - the B14/16 coilovers would allow me to do that. Going with the coilover that have adjustable bodies would remedy this more easily as you can set the bump/droop with preload independently of the ride height but of course you can put the tire through the fender with those too if you go too low. I noted I lost 0.25" of f. ride height after the LCAs/camber mounts/etc. so not sure there - maybe that changes the geo enough to do that? I can't see how else that would happen as the spring rate/strut length sets your ride height. I'd happily add 0.25 back to gain a little more bump travel up front. The fact that you ride on/into the jaunce bumper is news to me but based on the info from H&R below, makes total sense...really just addes progressiveness to the coil springs. Also makes me wonder if you can tune the springs a bit more (increase the rate) by just doing some upgraded jaunce bumpers? Finally...just how far can you compress a jaunce bumper? 100% of it's length is not possible. Based on he video work I did it looks to be ~30% of it's length compresses until you are fully "bottomed out" and feel a thud.
Here's the video. I just taped a measuring tape I made to the fender and zero'd it on the lip of the wheel. Looks to move 1" and I'm assuming that the wheel movement to strut shaft movement is 1:1 for this but that may not be accurate but the math on the numbers bilstein gave me works and 30% compression of the foamy makes sense:
Post was more informational/to spur supension nerd talk so have at it!
Some good reading from H&R on this topic here:
Excerpt that seems to back my measurements/that my car sits on the foamy jaunce bumpers:
Also, Steve Dinan has some good info if your'e willing to spend the time on this podcast re suspension and jaunce bumpers:
Yep...I'll be there! Full course both days is what's listed though..You going to the THSCC Frozen Frenzy event at VIR at the end of Feb? They are using the Full course Sat and the Grand Course Sun. Good opportunity to drive the Grand Course.
Oh sorry saw the T...hahaThats a different event to what I was referring to. This one is run by Tarheel Sports Car Club, THSCC on Feb 25/26. But that's awesome that you are getting out on track again so soon.