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DIY MIB1 to MIB2 Infotainment Conversion (Part 1)

Cuzoe

Ready to race!
Location
Los Angeles
Haha, I see that now. So they're just giving a free trial to everybody, some type of holiday promotion I presume. Didn't realize I could select the traffic notifications but when I did I see it shows the source as Sirius XM. Too bad it's not broadcast over FM here because I'm never going to subscribe to Sirius.IMG_20191127_123728.jpg
 

JM Popaleetus

New member
Long time lurker of the forum, and especially this thread. Figured I'd join and compile all the information that I personally applied. Huge thanks to George Ab for making this swap super easy. Also for shapeshifter1's super helpful post (follow the hyperlink for ROW part numbers) here:
NAR units have SiriusXM, as well as HD-Radio FM Tuners.

3Q0 035 844 - NAR USA, Non-Nav, SE, Composition Media
3Q0 035 878 - NAR USA, Non-Nav, SE, Composition Media
3Q0 035 876 - NAR USA, Navi
When looking for these units, I made sure to find units with a "B" suffix (or later) in the part number. That means they're the newest revision with less bugs. Furthermore, when searching on Car-Part.com be sure to try searching for "Radio/CD" on multiple VW models like the Tiguan, Golf, and GTI. Then carefully read the descriptions and look at the photos, reason is, I found the navi unit I bought wrongly listed in the non-nav group of listings.

I myself started out with a NAR 2015 TDI SEL with the DAP. The original MIB Nav unit was a 5G0 035 876 with V3 NAR maps, manufactured by Panasonic. Bought the following from Car-Part.com and "VW MQB Private Sales" Facebook group:
  • MIB2 Unit: 3Q0 035 876 B (Delphi manufactured, navi with V5 NAR Maps) for $180 Shipped via Car-Part.
  • 6.5" 'Nav Button' Screen: 5GM 919 605 for $100 Shipped via Facebook group. I went with a 6.5" screen since they've become cheaper, and will fit the MIB1 screen's existing trim. I can now wait patiently to find a cheap 8" glass screen with trim to upgrade later ;).
  • MIB2 Fender Amp: 5Q0 035 456 for $100 Shipped via Facebook group.
  • USB/Aux Plug with Wiring: 5G0 035 222 E for $40 Shipped via Facebook group.
Also bought the following tools:
I would have gone with an AliExpress or eBay 5054A clone, but Jack surprisingly replied to my Skype chat immediately on a Friday, and made an appointment for the following Monday morning. Also considering how flaky these clones are, I liked having Amazon's return policy as insurance. Nonetheless, Googling the Chinese text on the unit I received ("B04 Green Board OKI") shows an identical one for $60 on AliExpress.

DO NOT INSTALL THE SOFTWARE THAT COMES WITH THESE 5054 CLONES! Just as pictured on some of the various listings, my clone came with four simple DVD-R's with "1", "2", "3", and "4" written on them in Sharpie. Curious, I booted up a sandbox and extracted the 21-part .rar file across the four discs to find .txt instructions and some .exe files. Basically to "install" ODIS 5.1.3, you run the setup.exe, then the patch.exe to modify the boot shortcut, and finally the keygen.exe to "license" it. The problem is, the latter two .exe files also tried to install EIGHT various trojans and viruses. Not keygen-related false alarms either (i.e., Photoshop cracks), but real defined malware like Zegost and Sality. Nonetheless, because it was sandboxed, I let it install only to find it not work at all with Windows 10. Seems, all these cracked ODIS images seem to rely on Windows 7.

The good news is, Jack doesn't need you to install software or drivers for your 5054 unit. He will send you a 3GB VMware image to boot that directly links your 5054 to him. You can then sit back and watch as he does his thing; occasionally he'll give you instructions to test something. He has this down to a science and I'd highly recommend working with him. His Skype information is posted in this thread. Also worth mentioning again: Jack only works on weekdays (at his leisure) 09:00 to 17:00 CET, which is 3:00a to 11:00a EST. He doesn't share his online status, nor does he answer how-to questions. Only when you're ready to hire him should you send him a message during his "business hours".


As for installation, I'd just add that if you wrap the USB's wiring harness with tesa tape (leave about 3" unwrapped at each end) and use the flashlight trick (shove a flashlight where the headunit goes in the glovebox) you'll have the cable fed in about three mins with no other tools necessary. The tesa tape both protects the cable as you snake it, and from any potential vibrations or cuts. I attached a photo of where I snaked the new harness (pink line): Start where the headunit will be, and feed it left to where the display goes. You can then tuck the wiring up and above the cabin air filter box out of the way. From the display's area, feed it along the existing thick wiring harness down behind the climate controls and into its final spot. Any further slack can be tucked deeper behind the existing wiring. The existing MDI harness (yellow line), I tucked the right end up and to the left of the headunit in the empty space behind the credit card holder thing. The left end was tucked down behind the shifter into a pocket of insulation to keep it from rattling.

When removing the radio/display fascia, be careful of all the metal spring clips and rubber vibration dampeners that easily fall out and get lost inside the dashboard. If you do lose one, I've noticed a few people wondering what the part numbers are. Well:
  • Metal Spring Clip: 3B0 867 190
  • Rubber Dampener: As far as I can tell, these aren't available individually. I'll keep looking and update if I find anything.
Otherwise, the various modules (all connectors are keyed and color coded) swapped in easily, exactly as George Ab described. My display from a NAR 2017 Alltrack however did come with a purple female "ROW" connector; I noticed a couple other posts mentioning this. Nonetheless, shaving the stock male plug is super easy as the plastic is soft.

Honestly, the "hardest" part was coding. Being that all my parts were from different models with different specs, I found George Ab's advice to copy the car's virgin long code to the new modules, and then enable the new features to work perfectly. Nonetheless, here is my coding for a NAR SEL/Autobahn hatchback (i.e., Navi and Fender):
  • MIB2 Unit (Module 5F): Will update as soon as I scan my car again.
  • MIB2 Amp (Module 47): 2200000000AAAAAA000000000000
Jack also confirmed that he can code the MIB1 amplifier to work perfectly with the MIB2, but that the MIB2 amp does sound ever so slightly better. I'd assume using the same method SargeMKVI discovered.

Speaking of Jack, turns out that VW changes the FeC code for the maps and navigation every time they're updated, i.e., V1, V2, etc. I wrongly assumed that since I had nav prior, it would be a direct swap. I had to pay an extra €100 for Jack to buy and activate the newer navigation FeC codes. I'm assuming that's what was meant by this (now slightly incorrect) point in the other linked thread:
- On a 2015 vehicle, the FeC code for Navigation & Traffic is different than that of a 2016+. So the fact is, you'll never be able to activate this.
Nonetheless, for those that don't mind losing factory nav, definitely go with a cheaper non-nav MIB2 unit. Altogether, I paid Jack €400 (~$465) total for Component Protection to be removed from both the headunit and amp, plus the navigation and App-Connect FeC codes with activation. His price is €300 otherwise (via PayPal at the time of writing this). For those that think this is steep, he has to buy the FeC codes himself to activate them for you.

All said and done, everything works great! The audio definitely sounds better (whether it's the unit or amp, I don't know). And the unit itself is so much faster and responsive.

There are a few glitches that I still need to fix with VCDS. Silly things like toggles for various features in the "Car" menu that mine was never equipped with, like ACC. EDIT/Update! I figured it out! Thanks to this troubleshooting post on a different forum:
Bill@ATR said:
To re-enable the PDC "Park Pilot" screen and RVC overlay if not working after an MIB2 swap, open the adaptations menu in the "Information Electr." module (5F). Then make sure the following are set:

ENG122227-ENG117496-Car_Function_Adaptations_Gen2-menu_display_pdc activated
ENG122227-ENG117500-Car_Function_Adaptations_Gen2-menu_display_pdc_after_disclaimer not activated
ENG122227-ENG117497-Car_Function_Adaptations_Gen2-menu_display_pdc_clamp_15_off not activated
ENG122227-ENG117498-Car_Function_Adaptations_Gen2-menu_display_pdc_over_threshold_high activated
ENG122227-ENG117499-Car_Function_Adaptations_Gen2-menu_display_pdc_standstill not activated

ENG122229-ENG117710-Car_Function_List_BAP_Gen2-parking_assist_0x0A activated
ENG122229-ENG117711-Car_Function_List_BAP_Gen2-parking_assist_0x0A_msg_bus Terminal 15
It took a couple times opening and closing the module in VCDS to get all seven of those adaptations to take, but it worked perfectly! From there I was also able to disable screens and toggles in the MIB2's "Car" menu, like ACC, by deactivating adaptations like "Car_Function_Adaptations_Gen2-menu_display_acc".
 

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Louiekaps

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Long Beach
Ride
2015 Golf TDI
Jack programed my MIB2 this morning as well. I didn't do a nav unit and I went for the 6.5" screen. I spent $410 on the parts, $120 on the cable, and $350 for Mr. Jack.

Overall, I am very happy! I did a rearview camera, helix sub, powerfolding mirrors, and high line door modules as well.
 

JM Popaleetus

New member
JM so this is your first post on the forum? Kudos! Really useful information. I am going to update the original thread to link in your post.
Yup! I've been on TDIClub for years, and have linked your and golfdave's threads countless times over there.

A great thing about this thread is, a lot of the information evolved as the community figured things out (such as being able to use the MIB1 amp). So before I could set out and do the swap myself, I compiled the latest info I would need. I figured I'd join and share, if only just to say thanks to you! Those walking in for the first time have a lot of gathering to do in order to put it all together themselves.
 

c_tietjen

New member
Location
Utah
So, I’m almost ready to do my full conversion, curious if I can install the screen and install the USB port with my MIB1 system in the meantime? Will the screen still work and just look funny? I know the USB port won’t work and that’s fine, just wanted to get as much done this weekend if I can!
 

inc55

Go Kart Champion
Location
Chandler, AZ
So, I’m almost ready to do my full conversion, curious if I can install the screen and install the USB port with my MIB1 system in the meantime? Will the screen still work and just look funny? I know the USB port won’t work and that’s fine, just wanted to get as much done this weekend if I can!
You can, your screen will be divided into 4 squares and you’ll see your screen in one of the squares.
 

Louiekaps

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Long Beach
Ride
2015 Golf TDI
I have one big gripe about the mib2 std and im hoping some one has some insight. Let me start by saying I have 2 cell phones, one for work and one personal. Typically I use my personal phone for maps/music and I often take calls on my work phone when commuting. On MIB1 I could only have 1 phone connected via bluetooth so if I got a call on my other phone I had to scramble to get the BT switched over. I was thrilled to see on MIB2 I can have 2 phones connected via BT.

However, the reason I did this retrofit was for CarPlay. Unfortunately, when I have my personal phone plugged in for CarPlay, BT is disabled. If I get a call on my work phone I have to unplug CarPlay which in turns looses maps on the display. I am hoping there is a work around to get BT working alongside CarPlay. If not I am a little disappointed I didn't go for MIB2 high with nav....
 

JM Popaleetus

New member
I have one big gripe about the mib2 std and im hoping some one has some insight. Let me start by saying I have 2 cell phones, one for work and one personal. Typically I use my personal phone for maps/music and I often take calls on my work phone when commuting. On MIB1 I could only have 1 phone connected via bluetooth so if I got a call on my other phone I had to scramble to get the BT switched over. I was thrilled to see on MIB2 I can have 2 phones connected via BT.

However, the reason I did this retrofit was for CarPlay. Unfortunately, when I have my personal phone plugged in for CarPlay, BT is disabled. If I get a call on my work phone I have to unplug CarPlay which in turns looses maps on the display. I am hoping there is a work around to get BT working alongside CarPlay. If not I am a little disappointed I didn't go for MIB2 high with nav....
I'll dig around and see if there is a fix for that, because the MIB2 does support simultaneous connections to two Bluetooth sources. And it's not a limitation to Carplay because the infotainment system in GM vehicles allow exactly what you're describing. The 2019 Chevy Malibu I was given as a rental let me use CarPlay/Waze on the screen while steaming music over Bluetooth from my girlfriend's phone.

On a side note, CarPlay does support SIM and eSIM functions. So if you have an iPhone XS/XR or newer, you can have both SIM cards from your work and personal lines on one phone, solving the problem you describe. You get two antenna bars and everything.
 

Rmzhrb

New member
Location
NNJ
I have one big gripe about the mib2 std and im hoping some one has some insight. Let me start by saying I have 2 cell phones, one for work and one personal. Typically I use my personal phone for maps/music and I often take calls on my work phone when commuting. On MIB1 I could only have 1 phone connected via bluetooth so if I got a call on my other phone I had to scramble to get the BT switched over. I was thrilled to see on MIB2 I can have 2 phones connected via BT.

However, the reason I did this retrofit was for CarPlay. Unfortunately, when I have my personal phone plugged in for CarPlay, BT is disabled. If I get a call on my work phone I have to unplug CarPlay which in turns looses maps on the display. I am hoping there is a work around to get BT working alongside CarPlay. If not I am a little disappointed I didn't go for MIB2 high with nav....
I have a 6.5” with NAV. Let me know if interested.
 

c_tietjen

New member
Location
Utah
D72C7505-154F-47C7-B871-E7B923D3C599.jpegJust wanting to confirm this is what it’s supposed to look like prior to the new brain and programming. Installed the USB port/ cable, and screen today, and my 5054 cable came in the mail. Just want to make sure I’m 100% ready for jack!
 

Rmzhrb

New member
Location
NNJ
View attachment 161131Just wanting to confirm this is what it’s supposed to look like prior to the new brain and programming. Installed the USB port/ cable, and screen today, and my 5054 cable came in the mail. Just want to make sure I’m 100% ready for jack!
That’s what it looked like for me. Good luck with the install.
side note: Take a picture of the back of MIB unit in the glovebox with all of the barcodes and model numbers. Jack will need that for the install.
 

ITGUY

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Location
PA
Could someone please share the part number for the trim for the 8 inch glass screens for the USA.. I've only seen a bunch of part numbers but not sure if they are the right ones. Thanks
 

KyACRASH

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Could someone please share the part number for the trim for the 8 inch glass screens for the USA.. I've only seen a bunch of part numbers but not sure if they are the right ones. Thanks
5G6919605A - 5G6919605C - 8" Glass Touchscreen Display (w/o Nav)
5G6919605B - 5G6919605D - 8" Glass Touchscreen Display (w/ Nav)
 

ITGUY

Ready to race!
Location
PA
5G6919605A - 5G6919605C - 8" Glass Touchscreen Display (w/o Nav)
5G6919605B - 5G6919605D - 8" Glass Touchscreen Display (w/ Nav)
Thanks! I meant the trim the goes around the screens with the air vents. seems to be 3 of them? polar black, satin black and ... just wanted to be sure of which one I buy.
 

KyACRASH

Ready to race!
Thanks! I meant the trim the goes around the screens with the air vents. seems to be 3 of them? polar black, satin black and ... just wanted to be sure of which one I buy.
oops yea you did say trim. all I know is the one for the satin black:

5G1819728AGQYI - 5GM819728FQYI - Satin Black 8" AND 9.2” Glass Infotainment Trim
 
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