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Clutchless ignition update: solved (maybe)

dawooj

New member
Location
DFW
My 2 cents:

If the intent for this mod is only to reduce wear on the thrust bearing and prevent crank walk, I'd suggest reprogramming it to require pressing the brake pedal to start the car. If you want to use this info for laziness/convenience/remote start, beware that if the car was left in gear, the car will lurch forward/backward(in reverse) even with the e-brake on.

Source: I backed my dad's van into a pole and shattered the rear glass and taillight when I was 5 yrs old (before ignition safety switch days). I was left alone for a few mins with the key in the ignition and I got in the driver seat to pretend to drive. Put it in reverse and I started the van. It lurched backward and got pinned up against the pole. Tires kept spinning until a passerby quickly reacted and turned the ignition off. Got the beating of my lifetime. Can laugh about it now, but was fortunate nobody was behind the van when it happened.

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CGarcia

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Houston,TX
I hope you can do a detailed DIY for this eventually. I reached out to the folks at Littco, after hearing that they managed to code it out. But they said they couldnt help me as I would have to take the car to them. They did say, the other people doing tunes will eventually figure it out. But I doubt any of the tuners will offer this just to avoid the whole legal thing. I grew up before they started doing this whole double safety stuff, and never took of in reverse or anything silly like that, I also ride motorcycles, go figure.
 

dirtybenzo

New member
Location
Scotch Plains, NJ
Ride
‘15 GTI 2dr 6MT
I didn’t get my solenoid and spring kit in yet, but I got my magnets. I tried playing around with them by the bottom of the clutch (around where you have your bypass setup), and had a buddy try to crank the car but it didn’t detect the magnet. Does this only work when it’s attached to the solenoid?
 

Ridebjj

Go Kart Newbie
Location
lasVegas
I didn’t get my solenoid and spring kit in yet, but I got my magnets. I tried playing around with them by the bottom of the clutch (around where you have your bypass setup), and had a buddy try to crank the car but it didn’t detect the magnet. Does this only work when it’s attached to the solenoid?
Nope, it'll work as long as you get the magnets into the exact right spot. But it's a very specific spot and it works easier with a specific size magnet with specific polarity. It took me many hours of fiddling to figure it all out.

It's a lot easier if you used VCDS (or OBD11 probably has it too) to monitor the state of the clutch sensors (there are two) while you move the magnets around.

Someone else asked me to do the full diy, and I told them I will. Probably next week. Things will make more sense then.
 

Ridebjj

Go Kart Newbie
Location
lasVegas
Yea, the magnets have to be pretty strong. The tricky part was making them strong enough to work but not so strong that the sensors are still active once they're retracted after the car starts.

Also I just noticed the original video demo in post #1 doesn't work anymore. I put in a new one.
 

Ridebjj

Go Kart Newbie
Location
lasVegas
I hope you can do a detailed DIY for this eventually. I reached out to the folks at Littco, after hearing that they managed to code it out. But they said they couldnt help me as I would have to take the car to them. They did say, the other people doing tunes will eventually figure it out. But I doubt any of the tuners will offer this just to avoid the whole legal thing. I grew up before they started doing this whole double safety stuff, and never took of in reverse or anything silly like that, I also ride motorcycles, go figure.
I would love to hear that it can be done with a simple coding change. I'm a software dev and if I had footsteps to follow in that regard I'd probably try figuring it out. That would be so much more elegant than this ratchet mechanical pinball machine rig.
 

Raguvian

Go Kart Newbie
Location
Bay Area, CA
Ride
2019 GSW 4MO 6MT
Sigh... Ok.
Nah, I wouldn't change a thing about your DIY. If you're going to take this project on, maybe don't be an idiot and forget to put it in neutral first? I guess that's too much to ask nowadays though.

Also, turning the car on from outside is a big plus. I keep forgetting to get rid of the clutch switch on my other car (it's a '91 so literally just tape it down lol) and I always curse myself when I need to turn it on with the clutch but don't want to get in the car.
 

WhyNotZoidberg?

Ready to race!
Location
Chi-Town
Ride
2017 GTI, 2015 TDI
This!!!

Also don't hold the clutch in for 5 minutes waiting for your car to warm up...

Clutch in, check the transmission to ensure it's in neutral, start the car, then as soon as the engine is running clutch out.
I was sure it's common knowledge among 3-pedal drivers not to ride the clutch or hold it down at stops, unless you like the added wear on TOBs, PPs and clutch cables/hydraulics.

I'm also looking forward to Ridebjj's DYI and would like to thank him for figuring this out and potentially saving countless cranks from outdoors exercise. You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar!! :)


edit: I'd also like to add my displeasure with Littco's stonewalling with "we can't tell you, you'd have to bring your car to us" bullsh*t, it's the kind of dickishness that's guaranteed to make me avoid giving them any of my business in the future
 
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ATR

Drag Race Newbie
Location
Baltimore
Ride
'17 Golf R 6mt
WhyNotZoidberg?, well said!

If we could simply bypass the need to press in the clutch to startup the car without needing magnets I'd be beyond happy. Say the need to press the break instead much like the DSG cars...
 
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