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Burger Tuning JB4 Golf 1.8TSI MQB specific information thread

danbfree

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Portland, OR
Car(s)
Golf TSI Wolfsburg
The BT is the way to go. You'll get wireless logging and live gauges on your phone. It will be much easier to deal with Map 6 tuning if you choose to do so.
I definitely plan to do map 6 tuning, is it just a matter of not having a wire coming through the firewall and hoping there is enough length to run it around with enough slack to keep it plugged into the laptop all while trying to capture the live data or is there actual features I'd missing out on?
 

danbfree

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Portland, OR
Car(s)
Golf TSI Wolfsburg
I use the data cable plus the android phone app. I keep mulling over the bluetooth but I'm a little paranoid about giving myself a tool that's too easy to change....that I might be too casual, accidental touches etc. I'm sure I'm in the minority here :)

the advantages with bt are no data cable, the ability to charge the phone, ease phone placement.

if.you decide to do the cable, make sure you protect it, especially where it runs into the cabin at the grommet. I didn't first time around and chewed through the cable.
So you use an adapter for the USB to plug it into your phone? Thing is, I've had the Cobb AP with mount on my previous car but have recently just like to keep my phone plugged into the car USB for Android Auto but I I do have a decent tablet and adapter I could use instead, so thanks for the visual ideas! And what do you mean by protecting the cable? Make sure I run it so it's not stepped on and pulled on, etc? Obviously I'd just run it along with the OBD wire through that grommet, any tips there?
 

odessa.filez

Autocross Newbie
Location
Roswell, GA
Car(s)
2016 GSW 1.8tsi auto
So you use an adapter for the USB to plug it into your phone? Thing is, I've had the Cobb AP with mount on my previous car but have recently just like to keep my phone plugged into the car USB for Android Auto but I I do have a decent tablet and adapter I could use instead, so thanks for the visual ideas! And what do you mean by protecting the cable? Make sure I run it so it's not stepped on and pulled on, etc? Obviously I'd just run it along with the OBD wire through that grommet, any tips ther
the hole you thread through, between engine compartment and interior is metal and the edges can cut into the cable. I wrapped the cable with foam tape and tesa tape to protect in from rubbing.

thinking about it more, it was the obd cable I ruined, which you have to run to the cabin. The good news was the replacement obd cable was not expensive.
 

danbfree

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Portland, OR
Car(s)
Golf TSI Wolfsburg
So I got my used JB4 installed tonight and went straight to map 2... Wow, definitely less lag down low, even had a Neuspeed power module on the higher setting and this blows it away. Far less lag and more power. But, I don't know how the firmware works, do I need to make sure to get the latest 1.8 file from George by asking him in an email? How about if I go IS20, do I need a different firmware for that? I don't understand how it knows what engine/turbo I'm running unless all the base settings pretty much apply to every combo. Also, for Map 6, what are the defaults set to? Same as Map 2 is as a preset? Seems like all the info out there jumps straight into Map 6 custom tuning and I don't know if I have good base values or the right firmware to start with.
 

MeltedSolid

Drag Racing Champion
Location
San Francisco Bay Area
Car(s)
2015 Golf, e36 328i
The firmware versions are just updates, they all do the same thing, and you should just get the latest. You'll be able to see what the map 6 defaults are when in the software you use to switch it to map 6, I think it's just zero all around if new, but used it could be anything, so don't try it without looking first. The JB4 works by reading the sensors and adjusting, it doesn't really care what your setup is as long as it can get data from it.
 

danbfree

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Portland, OR
Car(s)
Golf TSI Wolfsburg
The firmware versions are just updates, they all do the same thing, and you should just get the latest. You'll be able to see what the map 6 defaults are when in the software you use to switch it to map 6, I think it's just zero all around if new, but used it could be anything, so don't try it without looking first. The JB4 works by reading the sensors and adjusting, it doesn't really care what your setup is as long as it can get data from it.
Yeah, nice, I finally got a hold of the guy who sold it to me who explained this as well.... So it looks like he did have a bunch of numbers set up for boost under map 6, I'll just have to go over those and adjust for my application when it comes down to it. I was able to connect with my laptop but am switching to Android and bought the app, but my USB A to USB C adapter only works with the laptop so I found I needed an Android OTG specific adapter, which I ordered same day from Amazon, so I'll be playing around with that more tonight... So I now know that technically I could even throw an IS20 in and Map 2 would work with it as well, I didn't realize the boost curves were essentially the same. In other words between what you and the seller said it's so basic and automatic, that's why nearly 100% of the discussion in the forums is discussing customizing Map 6, I wasn't really missing the basics at all! :)
 

danbfree

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Portland, OR
Car(s)
Golf TSI Wolfsburg
Soooo, I had missed the setting to toggle on OTG in the app, so I'm connecting up, updated the firmware to the latest group 60 VAG EA888, but what if I'm only picking up boost, in both logs and the live android app gauges? I even tried saving a log and all it got was boost values.... No RPM, IAT, nothing else at all, those were all zero... sigh... I mean, at least I can access all the map functions, I see some pretty aggressive settings for Map6 set, nearly 100% sure it was set up for IS20 with Max boost safety set to 28. I'm pretty happy with map 2 performance in general, but I want to be able to log everything and play with Map 6. I think I have an older unit that has that Plug A but the latest install instructions say it's not for use on the 1.8 right? I did hook up to the red wire near the firewall for AFR, but if that wasn't hooked up I wouldn't even be able to change to map 2 right? I heard it's basically a JB1 if you don't hook that up...
 

MeltedSolid

Drag Racing Champion
Location
San Francisco Bay Area
Car(s)
2015 Golf, e36 328i
uh... idk if any of the plugs are optional aside from the AFR tap... Although sounds to me like you don't have the OBD2 plug installed correctly. I've gotten similar symptoms when accidentally leaving that plug off after putting other stuff in the OBD2 port.
 

danbfree

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Portland, OR
Car(s)
Golf TSI Wolfsburg
uh... idk if any of the plugs are optional aside from the AFR tap... Although sounds to me like you don't have the OBD2 plug installed correctly. I've gotten similar symptoms when accidentally leaving that plug off after putting other stuff in the OBD2 port.
Thanks for the suggestions, My unit has four larger plugs (plus AFR wire and OBD connection) and the install instructions clearly say that plug A is not used with the 1.8l, there is apparently no such plug for it to even go to on the 1.8l... But I'll especially double check the OBD connection when I get a chance later.
 

danbfree

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Portland, OR
Car(s)
Golf TSI Wolfsburg
Well, first off, to explain further, I must have an old original JB1 that was upgraded to a JB4, they are the only ones that had the Plug A/4th plug that was never included on further revisions of JB1 nor even included in a JB4 sold new... So, still not getting readings for anything but boost even after re-seating the OBD connection and its wire to the harness. It's weird as it's acting like a JB1 but does allow me to change maps and offers custom map 6 etc. So I guess I have a bad connection in the harness somewhere but have no idea how to resolve this, I somehow doubt it's considered under warranty if this thing is a full 5 years old but I guess I can check with George.
 
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