Audi USA taking a pandering stand for equal pay

[Sanderzzz]

With people like the OP, I don't blame Audi for the need to produce the ad (which has made the usual crowd very touchy and sensitive).

An here is the standard provoking comment with so substance of evidence to support the claim

 

[Uberryan]

With people like the OP, I don't blame Audi for the need to produce the ad (which has made the usual crowd very touchy and sensitive).

This is a sheep-free thread. Please see yourself out.

An here is the standard provoking comment with so substance of evidence to support the claim

this

 

[Dans GTI]

An here is the standard provoking comment with so substance of evidence to support the claim

Don't you know, there is proof. The proof is "because they said so."

 

[Gunkata]

I agree, white males do have it really tough in this country.

 

[Sanderzzz]

I agree, white males do have it really tough in this country.

Thy opinion hath triggered the left

 

[Stage2Sasquatch]

Audi's just playing the game. A lot of people think that there's a gender pay gap based on the US Bureau of Labor's study that stated women made on average 77 cents vs. 1 dollar that the average male made. Audi is just pandering to them for monetary reasons, nothing wrong there.

But yeah, the gender pay gap has been debunked. No economist takes the gender pay gap seriously. In fact, in studies that accounted for hours worked, profession worked, time in the job etc. they found women actually make about 1% more than males (In the UK).

 

[Uberryan]

No one knows what it's like.... to be the whiiiiite man.... to be on the riiiiight, man.

 

[jon570]

Sure, the pay gap DID exist, but after extensive studies by unbiased third parties to actually find out either the cause of the pay gap, or to disprove it altogether, it was found that in many instances in our modern world, the pay gap does not exist, and that women actually are paid less on some occasions because they work less, take more time off, aren't paid a maternity leave when they have children, etc. This all affects overall income earned. Women on average pursue different career goals, where as men want to be top earner, or make partner, or excel at a quicker rate than others around them by staying later, working more, not taking time off, working weekends, etc.

By any legal sense, though... the pay gap would be illegal if a male and female with the same level of education, experience, seniority, qualifications, hours, and job position received different pay. That simply is not the case, and if it could be done by major corporations, men would never be hired, since they would know they could pay women less to do the same job.

Now back in 1945, you could get away with that sort of thing, just like you could get away with paying black employees less, or hispanics less. In some ways that still does occur, but mostly in a undocumented worker setting where these people are paid less because they are being paid under the table and they can't rely on the Department of Labor to step in on their behalf.

:thanks:

Agreed, its nothing like it used to be. And rarely is there a male and female, doing the same exact job, with the same exact hours, with the same exact level of education, getting paid differently. And as long at they are doing 100% the same thing then i do see an issue with anyone getting paid less than the other. UNLESS the person getting paid more has been with the company longer. Women wanted treated special, but treated the same. If they were treated the same they would want to be treated different.

 

[SirClimax]

"Although some larger American corporations have instituted such policies in order to retain highly educated and skilled employees, most companies do not offer policies that would make it easier for women or men to step out of the workforce or reduce their hours to care for their children while enabling them to return to full-time work without compromising their earning potential. This dynamic is a major contributor to the gender pay gap."

 

[Uberryan]

"Although some larger American corporations have instituted such policies in order to retain highly educated and skilled employees, most companies do not offer policies that would make it easier for women or men to step out of the workforce or reduce their hours to care for their children while enabling them to return to full-time work without compromising their earning potential. This dynamic is a major contributor to the gender pay gap."

Contributor? Sure, but it's obviously not perpetuated by occupations and corporations. You directly, or indirectly make the choice to have a child. Your employer doesn't come over and coax you into fucking your husband, or fucks you themselves in order for you to get pregnant and thus earn less than male counterparts in your field that they chose not to fuck. C'mon. Maternity leave is not paid for in this country. If that's a huge thing for you to obtain, I might suggest other countries in western Europe where the taxation you'll endure kills any pay gap in the name of paid for schooling, maternity leave, etc.

 

[SirClimax]

Contributor? Sure, but it's obviously not perpetuated by occupations and corporations. You directly, or indirectly make the choice to have a child. Your employer doesn't come over and coax you into fucking your husband, or fucks you themselves in order for you to get pregnant and thus earn less than male counterparts in your field that they chose not to fuck. C'mon. Maternity leave is not paid for in this country. If that's a huge thing for you to obtain, I might suggest other countries in western Europe where the taxation you'll endure kills any pay gap in the name of paid for schooling, maternity leave, etc.

My point of that post was not meant to argue against you, it was actually the opposite. The same rules apply for both men and women meaning that nothing besides social norms makes a woman take off more than the time she needs to recover from giving birth. Additionally nothing makes her have a kid in the first place. And maybe this is just me but I have worked at companies that give both maternity and paternity leave, although paternity leave is shorter.

 

[Stinger]

... I might suggest other countries in western Europe where the taxation you'll endure kills any pay gap in the name of paid for schooling, maternity leave, etc.

That was one step beyond :thumbdown:

Europe is big and beautiful, with wide ranging cultural norms and tax policies.

Originally coming from one of the oft fingered "socialist" France, I can attest to that country's generous social benefits of free education (and pretty good at that), free healthcare (one of the world's best), generous retirement benefits, top notch infrastructures (you should try the bullet train!) and many other perks Americans can only get by paying for them individually and only if they want to! (calling it freedom from government oppression).
Because the cost burden isn't pooled (lowering the cost for each) we lucky Americans can pay $1000/month on healthcare, $20k/year on private school and increase our 401k plan contributions so one day we can hope to have a decent retirement income to subside on. I say hope because that's entirely dependent on how the market is doing (see those who planned on retiring in 2007-2010...).

And for the cherry on the cake? Unless you're in the top 5%, we American pay pretty much as much taxes as a Frenchman does, thanks in part to our highly sophisticated federal system charging you federal and state taxes.

So, no benefits, same taxes... What gives? 1. Defense spending 2. high labor cost. :w00t:

 

[Saabstory]

This is a sheep-free thread. Please see yourself out

Too late, you guys started the thread... :laugh:

 

[lilonespaz]

Too late, you guys started the thread... :laugh:

i like the picture

 

[SirClimax]

That is a cute sheep!