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Another failed thrust bearing victim :(

Hoon

Drag Racing Champion
Location
Rhode Island
I just want to point out that this FB poll is easily biased/skewed. The type of people who are likely to click on a poll or thread relating to crankwalk issues are the type of people who have already had it happen to them.
But I will admit that the whole FB community is going to be biased towards tuned/upgraded mk7's, so that can also contribute to the higher failure numbers.
I just want to point out that most of these cars are still relatively new and haven't been on heavy clutches long term.

There are exceptions of course, but many more will fail.
 

volks6

Ready to race!
From what research I have done, this problem tends to happen to '15 and '16 model years and those with aftermarket clutches. I've seen DKM quoted a lot with these failures online. But it has also apparently happened to stock cars as well.
Where is this data from? The other survey on the vortex shows 2 failures out of 40 responses. One 2016 GTI and a 2017 Golf R.
2016 GTI engine failed at 36,000 miles using a Sachs with OE DMF
2017 Golf R engine failed at 37,000 miles using a Black Forest Industries Stage 3

The mileage that the failure happened is interesting though pretty close in mileage.
 

KevinC

Drag Racing Champion
8-9% of manual cars with aftermarket clutches according to the Facebook poll. That's 8-9% of manual cars that make any power.


I really don't understand why so many of you guys who want dragsters don't just buy something with RWD and a big V8. Buying a hot hatch, throwing gobs of money at it to make monster power, voiding the warranty in the process, then spinning your front wheels all day is just a silly exercise in futility.
 

Hoon

Drag Racing Champion
Location
Rhode Island


I really don't understand why so many of you guys who want dragsters don't just buy something with RWD and a big V8. Buying a hot hatch, throwing gobs of money at it to make monster power, voiding the warranty in the process, then spinning your front wheels all day is just a silly exercise in futility.
You do realize the stock clutches consistently fail with just a tune??
 

GTIfan99

Go Kart Champion
Location
FL


I really don't understand why so many of you guys who want dragsters don't just buy something with RWD and a big V8. Buying a hot hatch, throwing gobs of money at it to make monster power, voiding the warranty in the process, then spinning your front wheels all day is just a silly exercise in futility.
I want a GTI CSS, but since they don't sell it here, I bought a GTI, added neg camber up front, springs, a rear sway and a tune to get me close. If VW sold the CSS here, I'd have bought that and left it stock.
 

JerseyDrew77

Drag Racing Champion
Location
Virginia & NC


I really don't understand why so many of you guys who want dragsters don't just buy something with RWD and a big V8. Buying a hot hatch, throwing gobs of money at it to make monster power, voiding the warranty in the process, then spinning your front wheels all day is just a silly exercise in futility.
You don't need RWD with a big V8 to have a proper dragster. You have plenty of FWD cars that are 8 - 9 second dragsters with a shit ton of power.
 

Strange Mud

Drag Racing Champion
Location
Small Town CT
Ride
2017 GTI Sport
You don't need RWD with a big V8 to have a proper dragster. You have plenty of FWD cars that are 8 - 9 second dragsters with a shit ton of power.
correct, but it's easier with RWD V8. FYI respect for those that enjoy/mod their cars. I find the GTI really didn't need much for me so all I've done is kinda rice (Helix, OBD11 stuff, red mirror caps)

when I shopped GTI I could have had base model S550 Stang V8 MT for 30K/34 nicely optioned


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euroadb

Go Kart Champion
Location
central NJ
And how many people have ragequit VW after it happened and wouldn't be around to see the poll?
I just want to point out that most of these cars are still relatively new and haven't been on heavy clutches long term.

There are exceptions of course, but many more will fail.
Good points. Yep I guess only time will tell. I was hoping it was a defect and limited to early MY cars, but apparently even '17's are affected.
Sounds like VW is helping you out some on the cost of repair. That's good to hear.
Yep definitely happy about that (y) I was on the edge of my seat waiting for an answer.
Where is this data from? The other survey on the vortex shows 2 failures out of 40 responses. One 2016 GTI and a 2017 Golf R.
2016 GTI engine failed at 36,000 miles using a Sachs with OE DMF
2017 Golf R engine failed at 37,000 miles using a Black Forest Industries Stage 3

The mileage that the failure happened is interesting though pretty close in mileage.
I'm going off what my VW tech friend is telling me and some quick googling. He said he's only seen '15 and '16 failures but it looks like there's still reports of '17 apparently. I thought it was a defect isolated to early MY engines, but looks like this might just be a case of aggressive pressure plates and unlucky engines? I guess there wasn't a defect that has since been fixed or anything?

Interesting point about the mileage though. I was at 66k miles but only about 30k of those were on the DKM clutch. Similar numbers to those other cars, assuming they installed their clutches ASAP.
I really don't understand why so many of you guys who want dragsters don't just buy something with RWD and a big V8. Buying a hot hatch, throwing gobs of money at it to make monster power, voiding the warranty in the process, then spinning your front wheels all day is just a silly exercise in futility.
I didn't want a dragster. I just want my GTI to be more fun than it already is. You won't find a new V8 RWD dragster close to the price of the GTI. Let alone the practicality, etc. GTI does everything I need in a daily driver and throwing a couple grand to get it to Golf R power levels is not monster power.
because the is20 makes more torque down low where it affects the clutch more.
It might make torque sooner or down low, but still not more torque than the IS38 is going to help produce.
 

jimlloyd40

Autocross Newbie
Location
Phoenix
Ride
2018 SE DSG
because the is20 makes more torque down low where it affects the clutch more.
600 RPM sooner with the torque isn't going to cause as many problems with the clutch as the IS38 which spools 600 RPM higher but has more overall torque. 600 RPM's takes a fraction of a second to reach.
 

Strange Mud

Drag Racing Champion
Location
Small Town CT
Ride
2017 GTI Sport
600 RPM sooner with the torque isn't going to cause as many problems with the clutch as the IS38 which spools 600 RPM higher but has more overall torque. 600 RPM's takes a fraction of a second to reach.
idk, but if it's low in the rpm range 600 rpm is a big % (IE 1500/2100 rpm) where it will take time to spool up. Not confident enough to say with certainty but a bigger turbo on what seems to be a marginally rated clutch would be a real concern for me. I've slipped stock clutch before I learned how it doesn't like heavy acceleration at lower rpms. Once it starts slipping you need to back off the go pedal. I drive commute speeds most of the time and if clutch goes I might look into a slightly stronger set up....TTRS? Not going to worry about it now. I am bone stock power and no need to for me to have more
 

jimlloyd40

Autocross Newbie
Location
Phoenix
Ride
2018 SE DSG
it absolutely can make a difference.
When I had the IS20 installed i hit peak torque of 360 at 3300 RPM. With the IS38 installed at 3300 RPM I'm at 380 torque and hitting maximum torque of 408 at 3900 RPM. Which do you think would be harder on a clutch?
 
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