2019 R rear camber problems

[tmw2442]

Thank you for a [mostly] non-smug and educational response!

To be clear, you questioned the camber not changing on my application after lowering with Eibach ProKit springs. I simply posted the alignment sheet to show that this in fact was the case. Not sure how that translates into posting "alignment sheet after alignment sheet."

Again, to be clear, I made two statements: one being that I have not experienced any abnormal tire wear from OBSERVATION, and I also feel as if the car handles incredibly well for me and how I drive. You're harping on the second statement and ignoring the first.

You're educated about this stuff, but you're also an asshole. The two are not mutually exclusive here.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge nonetheless!

I never said a small amount of toe or camber....was going to eat tires or implied it was going to. (What is your frame of reference for small amount?), stock "green" alignments in the rear of VW chasis cars in general are not thread life friendly(nor is the on spec toe, the undereducated seem to be getting from the alignment techs...). All I did was point out the deficiencies in your statements or that our statement is subjective to you are your feelings. And since we are all in our "feels", at can't admit when we were missing knowledge, and want to call me an ass. Your camber not changing after the pro kit....regaurdless of what your spec sheet says is an inaccurate statement....if you toe changed, your camber changed, you reduced the ride height your camber and toe changed, you got springs and shocks installed...your camber changed. What you feel about your alignment and it being good for you...awesome but you making statements that are either subjective or untrue, which i was partly pointing out below. You also stated the eibach kit is stiffer....what are the stock spring rates and what are the eibachs?....you didn't and don't know, you were just making the assumption they are stiff(er) because of "the feels". At times depending on application with progressive rate springs, what eibach usually does, the spring is softer through part of the compression than stock. You made statements a without much of an understanding. Which is exactly what I was pointing out in my post and is why you needed the hive mind(s) concorence with post #24 of the thread, you didn't know for sure.

He probably should leave his alignment the way it is....green on the machine. If he "says", he isn't experiencing any abnormal tire wear. His car handles "incredibility" with his alignment specs...so he probably shouldn't touch them.

He also is "sure" what was causing the thread posters issue, and lowering his car..."didn't change his camber.....at all." but did throw his toe out of "whack", but certainly, didn't affect his camber at all. It definitely needed increase rates of the eibach kit.

And he's a doctor....of golf Rs, so I trust him. All his statement align.

You were insinuating things, and responding, to situations or statements interpreted in your head, that I never specifically stated. I never stated specifically just camber kills tires....see you BS below....the poster was concerned about tire wear, so I gave him a spec, focused on the best tire wear...which is minimal camber and zero toe. VWs....green on the machine spec....can and usually wears rear tires prematurely for most people, whether they(or you) understand/notice it or not. Again... your own post #24 of the thread...re-enforces what I said earlier.

So you’re saying the OP’s reported issue was caused by -2 deg of camber in the rear? Come on.

Completely a false interpretation...of my statements, and your comments seem to be centered around a false mental construction of what I said. Not suggesting you "made up" anything...just that your feelings of stiffness ....lol.... and handling incredibilty are subjective to you.

 

[doctorGolfR]

I never said a small amount of toe was going to eat tires and (what is your frame of reference for small amount)? You were insinuating things, and responding, to situations or statements interpreted in your head, that I never specifically stated. In context....

Whoops. I meant negative camber in the rear, which is what this whole thread was about.

And he's a doctor....of golf Rs, so I trust him.

What was this about (and the entire response, actually) if not being smug?

Overall it doesn't even matter. This is the internet and we will all return to our normal lives like we always do.

Thanks for the back/forth! I'm ready to move on when you are.

 

[tmw2442]

Here I think this thread needs another giant size alignment sheet...

 

[scrllock]

I don't know why the CSS running a non-stock alignment matters, it's not like they added camber plates.

 

[tmw2442]

I’m sorry, but 2 degrees of neg rear camber wore out my rear tires. The outsides of both were perfectly fine. Toe does not cause that. And my before toe was spot on. If toe is out of alignment, it will cause a rippling west across the entire tread surface. Nothing like that on my tires. Thanks for your input.

The toe and camber together caused it. Toe in with camber causes the inner thread blocks to constantly be "scrubbed" going down the road....here is a shitty picture(the passanger side rear tire...to be exact) of what the inside, center, and outside thread blocks are doing on a stock alignment. Hopefully this does something to help people understand...why the tire wear is happening on the inside thread of the rear tires. An IR thermometer and a 30 min drive....tells a lot about how you are wearing tires.

 

[tmw2442]

I don't know why the CSS running a non-stock alignment matters, it's not like they added camber plates.

huh? Someone suggested, that the CSS spec you get from the alignment machine....is/was the same spec and what the car was aligned to when VW ran their competitive laps times, which I would say...is BS...and a misconception.

I was asking the question....you put CSS spindles on a daily, as there are much cheaper and easier ways to get another degree of camber on this chassis...imo...that going through the effort of CSS spindles. Debatable if you need it more than stock on the average street, where most operate.

IMO, if people are asking, and it was my money, I would suggest doing TT-RS control arms instead as you get better bushings (stiffer) and 2.0 min to 3.0+ max degrees of camber (adjustable) at the same time....for less or equal to at most money spent.

 

[doctorGolfR]

huh? Someone suggested, that the CSS spec you get from the alignment machine....is/was the same spec and what the car was aligned to when VW ran their competitive laps times, which I would say...is BS...and a misconception.

I was asking the question....you put CSS spindles on a daily, as there are much cheaper and easier ways to get another degree of camber on this chassis...imo...that going through the effort of CSS spindles. Debatable if you need it more than stock on the street, where most operate.

IMO, if people are asking, and it was my money, I would suggest doing TT-RS control arms instead as you get better bushings and 2.0 to 3.0 degrees of camber (adjustable) at the same time....for less or equal at most money.

CSS knuckles didn’t always cost what they cost now but, yes, in 2023 there are cheaper potentially NVH inducing ways to obtain similar or better results.

 

[tmw2442]

Cool...I assume by how to made this statement you are assuming using metal strut top camber plates which definitely increase NVH. TT-RS arms don't delectably, to me, raise NVH (subjective). Sharper steering for sure, though. Eurosport camber strut mount replacements shouldnt add much if any nvh...and be much easier to install than changing out an entire spindle for the average person.

 

[doctorGolfR]

Cool...I assume by how to made this statement you are assuming using metal strut top camber plates which definitely increase NVH. TT-RS arms don't detectablely, to me, raise NVH (subjective). Sharper steering for sure, though. Eurosport camber strut mount replacements shouldnt add much if any nvh...and be much easier to install than changing out an entire spindle for the average person.

Cool.

Haha didn’t you just finish lecturing me about making assumptions?

I wasn’t specifically referring to noisy metal strut mount camber plates.

My statement is clear: potentially NVH-inducing. Not definite. People’s experiences vary and NVH is subjective—as you went on to explain with the different options that exist. The Eurosport strut mount kit is cool and I have them on my wife’s Alltrack as of recent. In my opinion they do add very minimal NVH despite the claim that they don’t whatsoever. But that’s the nature of these things. I didn’t want to go that route with my R as I was inspired some years ago (and the knuckles were much cheaper) by members on here who used the CSS spindles and solid rubber front LCA bushings with good results so I went that route back then.

Isn’t that the beauty of this all? Options? Personalization? Glad to hear the TT-RS arms are your preferred choice!

You’re so grumpy!

 

[doctorGolfR]

You also stated the eibach kit is stiffer....what are the stock spring rates and what are the eibachs?....you didn't and don't know, you were just making the assumption they are stiff(er) because of "the feels". At times depending on application with progressive rate springs, what eibach usually does, the spring is softer through part of the compression than stock. You made statements a without much of an understanding.

LOL I see you went back and edited your response to include even more self-indulgent garbage.

For someone who continues to talk down a lot about assumptions you sure do make a hell of a lot of them.

My Eibach springs aren’t progressive — they’re linear. “What Eibach usually does.” Do you read what you write? You’re definitely aware that E10-85-041-01-22 is the part number for the linear ProKit, right? As for stiffness, you already know linear springs will be stiffer. Also when I compared the OEM R springs to the linear ProKit the OEM has more active coils, which will lead to them feeling softer. The stock R rates are easily found online, which I looked into years ago when I was researching all of this. Ironically the reported rates of the linear Eibach kit from the company are less than the stock R, but the Eibach kit has less coils (obviously) to allow for the car to lower. There’s actually a pretty good read about this on the VW Vortex forum and I’ll post if it I can find it again.

Ironically you’re the one making the statements without much of an understanding. And I don’t mean that you lack knowledge. I think you just make assumptions for whatever reason. This is usually how people—who have no intention of learning a thing but rather impose their opinions on others—operate.

Let’s move on, man.

 

[tmw2442]

LOL I see you went back and edited your response to include even more self-indulgent garbage.

For someone who continues to talk down a lot about assumptions you sure do make a hell of a lot of them.

My Eibach springs aren’t progressive — they’re linear. “What Eibach usually does.” Do you read what you write? You’re definitely aware that E10-85-041-01-22 is the part number for the linear ProKit, right? As for stiffness, you already know linear springs will be stiffer. Also when I compared the OEM R springs to the linear ProKit the OEM has more active coils, which will lead to them feeling softer. The stock R rates are easily found online, which I looked into years ago when I was researching all of this. Ironically the reported rates of the linear Eibach kit from the company are less than the stock R, but the Eibach kit has less coils (obviously) to allow for the car to lower. There’s actually a pretty good read about this on the VW Vortex forum and I’ll post if it I can find it again.

Ironically you’re the one making the statements without much of an understanding. And I don’t mean that you lack knowledge. I think you just make assumptions for whatever reason. This is usually how people—who have no intention of learning a thing but rather impose their opinions on others—operate.

Let’s move on, man.

sure. edited in response to match your post #30...guess my assumption of the eibach kit being less stiff than the stock springs was a correct...I would also assume the eibach has more coils than stock...as they like to include dead ones...but I don't really care to count. Linear springs are not necessarily stiffer.

Really with some of the things you have posts on here...your questioning my understanding...and ability. Would you like for me to specific exactly where the nonsense started.

For example your statement "-I guess that's how minimal of a drop they provide while adding a much needed increase in spring rates." was BS. Guess the spring rate increase was much needed... . Well done with the nonsense at post #36, but you just can't stop quoting me...

 

[doctorGolfR]

sure. edited in response to match your post #30...guess my assumption of the eibach kit being less stiff than the stock springs was a correct...

Really with some of the things you have posts on here...your questioning my understanding...and ability. Would you like for me to specific exactly where the nonsense started.

For example your statement "-I guess that's how minimal of a drop they provide while adding a much needed increase in spring rates." was BS. Guess the spring rate increase was much needed...

The effective spring rate is increased given the shorter spring (less coils) than OEM. If two springs have the same reported spring rates but the second is physically shorter than the other, is the latter going to provide a softer or a stiffer ride?

The post I was thinking of wasn’t VW Vortex but rather actually on here: https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/index.php?threads/actual-eibach-pro-kit-lowering-height.413218/

I’m starting to see exactly where you’re stance is coming from. You truly are smug and in your feels getting all defensive about your internet suspension knowledge!

Goodnight, man.

 

[tmw2442]

I'm glad you love your(increased spring rate...ahem...)springs, spindles, and your alignment...good luck...I was initial done at post #30, until you made your smug comment(after I took the time to make a post to help you clear up possible fog in your understanding, you called me the smug asshole remember.). The car could feel stiffer, but be riding on the bump stops and actually handle like shit (not saying that is the case with yours...). Again, tried to be done discussing this with you at post 34. Hence, why I don't/didn't use the quote function from that point on(#34), but you continue quoting/reply directly to me(while accusing me of not letting go... ), if you want to move on. I am not defensive about my suspension knowledge...my defend-sive-ness has to do with someone proclaiming something that is false or stated a I definitively said something in a way I didn't and then proceeding to argue with me about their false perception while calling me the a$$ . Go watch frozen or something.

 

[anotero]

Ladies, c'mon... Did you all go to church today just so that by the end of the day you could go back to being potty mouth sinners? Smh.

 

[tmw2442]

Ladies, c'mon... Did you all go to church today just so that by the end of the day you could go back to being potty mouth sinners? Smh.

I do...oh wait he hasn't low key asked me to marry him, yet... awaiting the PM. He promised me a set of stiffer, but softer, decreased, increased, but decreased rate springs to make the car stiffer and lower but not change camber, whacking while out toe springs...I want them as my wedding gift. I am so happy, because he is a proclaimed and named doctor...my jewish mother is proud.