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2017 Sportwagen (4Motion) Rear Differential Failure

cc87

New member
Location
CA
Car(s)
VW Sportwagen
2017 GSW 4motion 6spd w/IS20 w/ APR tune @ 30,000 mi

An independent VW specialist installed the following at 29,000 mi
IS20
new rear brakes/rotors
Haldex Service (Change Fluid + Clean Screen)

Around 30,000 mi, while driving on the highway I heard a whining sound coming from the rear of the car, intermittent loud scraping noises, and the rear suddenly felt sluggish. I thought some debris had caught in the brakes and set an appointment the same day to have it checked out. I scanned my car via OBDEleven but got no error codes. I got the vehicle over to the specialist who got under the car.

The specialist said the left axle boot was torn and possibly an issue with the differential and suggested I take it to the VW dealer to see if they would possibly cover it.

VW denied warranty (wasn't expecting them to due to IS20+APR) and conducted an inspection per my request. They diagnosed the issue as failure of the rear differential and rear left axle. I was quoted $5,800 for the repair. They inspected the Haldex system and said it was fine.

Cost Breakdown
$3,409.16 - Final Drive (Rear Differential) - 0CQ525010S
$ 632.86 - Left Axle Assembly
$1,757.98 Labor+nuts/bolts

The VW tech said he had never seen the rear differential just fail out of the blue, especially if it was able to go 30,000 miles. The car ran perfectly fine before the Haldex Service, and VW said they did not see any damage, scoring, or any external physical damage, ruling out any accident.

I've researched across the forums and found there had been multiple rear differential failures, primarily on Gold R's, that failed due to Haldex service error. There were two main errors that I found:
1. Tech accidentally drained differential fluid instead of Haldex fluid (The drain bolts are near each other), then topped off Haldex. Lack of diff fluid causes failure.
2. Tech accidentally drained differential fluid and refilled differential fluid with Haldex Fluid (which is thinner/lighter than the 75w90 gear oil for diff) The lighter fluid eventually burns off and eventually causes diff failure

I re-contacted the specialist who said he was sure he did the Haldex service correctly. However, given what was found by VW, the only "change" in the vicinity of the failed differential is the Haldex Service he performed. I'm waiting to go back to the VW dealer to get some pictures and any additional information they might have.

I've found used diffs on ebay around $5-600, and axles for around $1-200.

Any suggestions/recommendations as to which route to go, or if you had experience with this problem, are greatly appreciated. Most of the information I dug up was a few years old, with nothing too recent popping up. A lot of the pictures and videos have expired.
 

tigeo

Autocross Champion
Tech definately goofed the service and caused this.
 

golfdave

Autocross Champion
Location
Scotland (U.K.)
Car(s)
Mk7 Golf GT Estate
As above...balls up on the service...Haldex as been around since MK4 & many so called specialists still CANNOT understand that the single "rear unit" actually contains two separate mechanical items (Haldex clutch pack & rear diff) each with their own unique oils & fill/drain plugs...fecking MUPPETS!!!
 

tigeo

Autocross Champion
You can likely get samples of both the Haldex fluid and r. diff fluid and send for used oil analysis. You can use those data to show/prove that wrong fluid was used etc.
 
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cc87

New member
Location
CA
Car(s)
VW Sportwagen
Ordered a few test kits from Blackstone. Will also see if the dealer has any clean containers for me to sample both fluids.

Also glad to see Golfdave pop up, you’re posts on one of the older threads regarding this issue helped give me a better idea of what likely occurred..
 

golfdave

Autocross Champion
Location
Scotland (U.K.)
Car(s)
Mk7 Golf GT Estate
Here's the ERWIN VAG workshop manual on the rear final drive & Haldex unit...all the servicing...

Section 3.1 is checking the gear oil in the actual differential.

Section 5 is all about the Haldex unit...with sections 5.3 & 5.4 on checking & renewing the oil...


The Haldex unit is only on the front to rear propshaft....one shaft in, on shaft out....just its bolted up to the rear diff...the rear diff is an open conventional diff which splits the single input driveshaft from (via the Haldex unit) the front to the two rear wheels...
 

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tigeo

Autocross Champion
Ordered a few test kits from Blackstone. Will also see if the dealer has any clean containers for me to sample both fluids.

Also glad to see Golfdave pop up, you’re posts on one of the older threads regarding this issue helped give me a better idea of what likely occurred..
Will need to know the virgin/new oil viscosity for each to compare against.
 

golfdave

Autocross Champion
Location
Scotland (U.K.)
Car(s)
Mk7 Golf GT Estate
& here is nice picture of the Haldex unit bolted to the rear diff...again from the ERWIN self study guides..maybe print off & show the specialist as they don't seem to get it...

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jimlloyd40

Autocross Champion
Location
Phoenix
Car(s)
2018 SE DSG
Ordered a few test kits from Blackstone. Will also see if the dealer has any clean containers for me to sample both fluids.

Also glad to see Golfdave pop up, you’re posts on one of the older threads regarding this issue helped give me a better idea of what likely occurred..
You'll get containers in the Blackstone kit.
 

cc87

New member
Location
CA
Car(s)
VW Sportwagen
You'll get containers in the Blackstone kit.

Since I’m already going to the dealer on Monday, I’m trying to see if I can get clean samples in a container sent out to Blackstone earlier vs waiting for the kits to arrive, then getting the sample and sending it out
 

cc87

New member
Location
CA
Car(s)
VW Sportwagen
Specialist said he did the service correctly, so I’m just trying to gather as much information as possible before going back to him.

If this was in any way my fault and is the price to pay for being “tuned” with a bunch of mods, it is what it is and it’s essentially pay to play with a bit of bad luck.

As I’m getting more information, it’s leaning toward service error. In other instances, VW dealers messed up the service, accepted responsibility, and covered under warranty.

However, as I am outside the warranty period, not stock, and had this serviced by an independent specialist, it’a not quite as simple.
It is a costly mistake, if indeed a mistake was made, so I can see the hesitancy to accept responsibility.

I just want to find an amicable/reasonable resolution in getting this fixed.
 
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tigeo

Autocross Champion
Specialist said he did the service correctly, so I’m just trying to gather as much information as possible before going back to him.

If this was in any way my fault and is the price to pay for being “tuned” with a bunch of mods, it is what it is and it’s essentially pay to play with a bit of bad luck.

As I’m getting more information, it’s leaning toward service error. In other instances, VW dealers messed up the service, accepted responsibility, and covered under warranty.

However, as I am outside the warranty period, not stock, and had this serviced by an independent specialist, it’a not quite as simple.
It is a costly mistake, if indeed a mistake was made, so I can see the hesitancy to accept responsibility.

I just want to find an amicable/reasonable resolution in getting this fixed.
You are handling this correctly. The UOAs will tell you the story.
 

Keehs360

Autocross Champion
Location
Denver
Car(s)
Mk7.5
Please update us on the analysis?

I too am thinking the tech screwed u. I don’t believe in coincidences
 
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