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07/14 Build Date - Stage 2 or Stage 3?

wasbaggedonce

New member
Location
PA
Car(s)
MKVII GTI
A little backstory: This 2015 GTI is my seventh VW. It's a CPO and is already paid off. I've owned it for a year and a half and I decided I'm finally ready to do some modifications. One month ago I installed an APR intake and downpipe. The car just hit 59,000 miles.

Today, on my drive to work I downshifted to 5th to pass a semi and the clutch got stuck to the floor. It eventually came back up but I lost all my ability to accelerate once I'm in a higher gear and doing 70mph+. This isn't my first slipping clutch, but it's my first time asking myself "Do I now go Stage 2 or Stage 3?"

I was fully planning on Stage 2 and was ready to eventually replace the clutch, so I was prepared for that. What I wasn't prepared for was a turbo issue. I don't have it yet, and could possibly never have it, but I have been reading A LOT of threads about 2014 builds with blown turbos. Some stock, some tuned, some within ten minutes of leaving the shop after the tune.

First things first though; replacing the clutch. It looks like I have two options.

1. Get a Stage 2 clutch, get a Stage 2 tune, if the turbo blows replace with another IS20

2. Get a Stage 3 clutch, proactively replace the IS20 with an IS38, get a Stage 3 tune

Any recommendations? Planning on having the clutch replaced within the next week or two.
 

Diggs24

Autocross Champion
Location
de plains! de plains!
Car(s)
2015 GTI; 2003 Saab
If a few hundred in your pocket has meaning then you aren't ready for anything stage 3 and the potential costs involved. I also don't think manual build 2014 cars should have tons of mod money thrown at them. Those seem to have the most issues, particularly crankwalk.
 

wasbaggedonce

New member
Location
PA
Car(s)
MKVII GTI
If a few hundred in your pocket has meaning then you aren't ready for anything stage 3 and the potential costs involved. I also don't think manual build 2014 cars should have tons of mod money thrown at them. Those seem to have the most issues, particularly crankwalk.
You could have said this in a less condescending way, since you have no idea how much I make or how much extra cash flow I like to have every month, but thanks for your input. A few hundred dollars every month, IMO, should have meaning whether you make $40k a year or $140k a year. But you live your life how you want.
 

JerseyDrew77

Autocross Champion
Location
Virginia & NC
What Diggs is trying to warn you about is that since your clutch stuck to the floor when you went to shift, with previous cars, that has been a good indication for crankwalk, especially with earlier models of the MK7. Crankwalk is a very pricey malfunction as it pretty much destroys your engine so as a precaution, save up a lot of money just in case that happens.
 

wasbaggedonce

New member
Location
PA
Car(s)
MKVII GTI
What Diggs is trying to warn you about is that since your clutch stuck to the floor when you went to shift, with previous cars, that has been a good indication for crankwalk, especially with earlier models of the MK7. Crankwalk is a very pricey malfunction as it pretty much destroys your engine so as a precaution, save up a lot of money just in case that happens.
I’ll have to look into the crank walk thing, as that’s something that’s new to me. Mostly look into if that’s something covered under warranty. I know the slipping clutch won’t be because it’s “wear-and-tear”. However, I don’t mind throwing the stock intake and downpipe back on to take it to the dealership. I still have a couple months left on my warranty.
 

Ridebjj

Go Kart Champion
Location
lasVegas
Well, you have a warranty and the car isn't modded at all so if it is crankwalk, you should be covered - free new engine time, perhaps? Get it in for diagnosis immediately.
 

wasbaggedonce

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Location
PA
Car(s)
MKVII GTI
Well, you have a warranty and the car isn't modded at all so if it is crankwalk, you should be covered - free new engine time, perhaps? Get it in for diagnosis immediately.
The only thing modded is the intake and downpipe; it never had a tune. I'll be switching them back to stock tonight. The dealership won't have a loaner available for me for a couple days. So hopefully it lasts till then.

It's on lowering springs too. I doubt they would, but hopefully they won't say anything about that somehow being a contributing factor.
 

Ridebjj

Go Kart Champion
Location
lasVegas
The only thing modded is the intake and downpipe; it never had a tune. I'll be switching them back to stock tonight. The dealership won't have a loaner available for me for a couple days. So hopefully it lasts till then.

It's on lowering springs too. I doubt they would, but hopefully they won't say anything about that somehow being a contributing factor.
As long as you, or the owner(s) before you never tuned it, you should only have a level 7 nightmare ahead of you. If it was ever tuned, even if not by you - then well... let's not think about that now.
 

wasbaggedonce

New member
Location
PA
Car(s)
MKVII GTI
Is there anything specific I should be telling the dealership other than about the clutch sticking to the floor? I called and talked to one tech over the phone, briefly mentioned the whole crank walk thing, and he said he never heard of it. Just said it’s mostly likely the clutch.

What should I specifically be asking them to look for?
 

shovelhd

Go Kart Newbie
Location
Western MA
Is there anything specific I should be telling the dealership other than about the clutch sticking to the floor? I called and talked to one tech over the phone, briefly mentioned the whole crank walk thing, and he said he never heard of it. Just said it’s mostly likely the clutch.

What should I specifically be asking them to look for?
Most dealer techs are parts swappers. It's certainly possible that a bent or broken pressure plate spring could cause this. A trashed TO bearing may as well, but they're not going to drop the pan unless they have reason to. So you may end up with a new clutch and an engine ready to blow.

Get a flashlight and another human. Have them push the clutch in and out while you shine the light on the crank pulley. If you see any movement at all, then chances are you have the problem.
 

wasbaggedonce

New member
Location
PA
Car(s)
MKVII GTI
Most dealer techs are parts swappers. It's certainly possible that a bent or broken pressure plate spring could cause this. A trashed TO bearing may as well, but they're not going to drop the pan unless they have reason to. So you may end up with a new clutch and an engine ready to blow.

Get a flashlight and another human. Have them push the clutch in and out while you shine the light on the crank pulley. If you see any movement at all, then chances are you have the problem.
I will try that once my buddy gets here. However, I’m under the hood now and everything below the crank pulley is wet. Also, not sure if this is related, but the coolant in the tank has turned from pink to a dark brown almost black.
 

JerseyDrew77

Autocross Champion
Location
Virginia & NC
Is there anything specific I should be telling the dealership other than about the clutch sticking to the floor? I called and talked to one tech over the phone, briefly mentioned the whole crank walk thing, and he said he never heard of it. Just said it’s mostly likely the clutch.

What should I specifically be asking them to look for?
Was the tech new? Crankwalk is nothing new. There are a couple of threads talking about it on this forum. A simple search on here will bring them up so that you can become well informed to school that tech that you talked to.
 
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