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Anyone fitted a highline reversing camera?
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catatonicChimp
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Just updated my gateway to 5Q0907530AM and it seems to work better but not quite right yet... when the front sensors trigger, it pops the rear camera open as well... but that might be a coding issue somewhere....
I dont have a highline camera in Golf so I cant compare...but I dont think this behavior is expected and correct. My issue was that when the front sensors triggered and I put it in R afterwards, camera didnt work and the issue was in the communication of the control units since the older versions were not fully compatible with the high camera.
I made highline camera retrofit to my Octavia MK3 2016 (pre facelift). I had a problem that reverse gear turned on camera only once, but when puting to drive / neutral and puting back to reverse caused a black screen - radio tried to show video but it was black screen and just working parking sensors.
My Gateway and system displays graphics of sensors (OPS) when in Drive and tried to displayed camera when in reverse. It is already highline gateway 3Q but not the version that keeps camera on while driving. Workaround was to press parking button or go back to parking and then to reverse to see camera video again. I could not find anywhere in the internet a solution, until I tried my own idea.
I resolved this issue without Gateway exchange or without extra coding (I don't have 5F module anymore - I am using now Android Headunit from China). I have kept originally coded OPS active in Parking module - button of parking shows parking sensors, camera is not integrated to parking sesnors. Only reverse turns on camera. There is no way to code in module 6C integration of camera to parking button - for this Gateway upgrade is needed.
I wired CANbus normally but I changed +12V from always supplied to supplied only when in reverse (I had lowline camera before so for testing I used old +12V from tail reverse light). I did it against instruction on forums and against how VW designed it originally. Problem dissapeared - I did not need to change my Gateway Chip - I wanted to avoid it.
Now it works 100% - always when put into reverse highiline camera turns video on (although there is literally 2-3sec delay until video shows - I guess this is the time for camera to start up and read canbus), when I put to it to any gearbox position and back to reverse it works again. Lines are moving ok. Parking sensors are working fine without any delay.
Finally I wired +12V through Chinesse Android head unit which feeds voltage only when in reverse, so I don't need to use tail reverse light for wiring from old lowline camera.
There is a major difference between lowline and highline camera when it comes to resolution and night parking.
If you want all highline experience - keep camera on while driving - it would require most probably solution with Gateway upgrade.
For me it is ok - it works like lowline camera - only in reverse, but having other benefits of highline camera: I have moving lines + resolution is much better + night parking is way better. Drawback is 2-3 sec delay for video feed start (exactly the same experience as for lowline camera).
Cheers.
jamstonmartames
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- GOLF 7.5
I can confirm this is actually possible but you need CAN wiring to accompany this as well as changing the coding required. As 5F won't use RVC Low anymore
It's 4 screws to get access to the housing & motor (Removal from emblem) another 3 to get at the camera itself. and a super super tiny screw (maybe t2?) to release the camera from it's "whack a mole" housing.
jamstonmartames
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- GOLF 7.5
This Happened to me when the parameters for the camera don't exist. Because they don't exist, you can't touch any of the coding for the camera and as such the can bus freaks out.
Happened to me when I used the wrong flash file on the hl camera.
jamstonmartames
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- GOLF 7.5
jamstonmartames
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- North East
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- GOLF 7.5
So working on a basic settings piece at the moment.
Update Idea -> I wonder if 5F Byte 19 Rear View Low needs activating to do this calibration as the gateway would be expecting only a lowline for the golf model? once done, turn it back off?
It looks like it can be done in ODIS and OBDEleven, I don't have VCDS so I wouldn't know about that.
OBD and ODIS give exactly the same options for calibration if you're not using the GFF.
Few issues to potentially expect:
- If your parameters file is that of another car or wheelbase, when you put in your basic settings values, the car won't accept.
- If your 6c coding for your Brand, Vehicle Class, Car Generation, Vehicle Variant, Car Derivative, Country Coding, Equipment Steering Variant & Transmission is wrong, the car won't like the values. (Try mimicking those of 5f or 76 that came from factory.)
- If the approach you've taken is to trick "certain" software by selecting a different car project code in your session (Eg. Not 5G 37x Golf 2013 >) to that of another model for it to accept the settings, then yes that may work to clear the error code, but I would imagine you might run the risk of scraped wheels or a broken bumper if you trust those lines with your life or even worse you have park assist where it works out the space and parks for you. Reversing a Touareg with polo parameters would have interesting results.
- There are conflicts on what msg bus should the HL camera reside on in 5f. - Terminal 15 would match what the parking sensors are running on and what carsyseu suggested, - Databus infotainment is what some forums have suggested and comfort is what the majority have seemed to go with. All options worked for me but I'm wondering if a conflict on the msg bus might throw off the basic settings?
GOLF RHD 7.5 Long Coding.
| 5F Multimedia | 5F Multimedia | 6C Camera | 6C Camera | 19 Gateway | 19 Gateway | 3C Side Assist/ BSM | 3C Side Assist/ BSM | 65 TPMS | 65 TPMS |
| Brand | VW | VW | Brand | Brand | |||||
| Car Class: | 3 | 4 ->3 | Vehicle Class: | Vehicle Class | MQB (3) | Car Class: | 4 | ||
| Car Generation: | 7 | 8 ->7 | Car Generation: | MKE Variant | 7 | Car Generation: | 8 | ||
| Car Derivative: | 0 | 1->0 | Vehicle Variant | Car Derivative: | 2 | ||||
| Car Derivative Supplement: | 1 | 0->1 | Car Derivative Supplement: | Car Derivative Supplement: | 0 |
76 Parking Assistant - I'm wondering if 2 Rearview Camera is the correct option to use for a Highline Camera on a golf which never was meant to have the highline?
I wonder if 3 Environmental Camera, 4 Camera System,Japan Version are options which might help?
Adaptations apparently needed although I can't see these in my 5Q0980556B 0231 H18 version? So many parameter files exist for H12 but not H18.
Channel 4 = 20,000 MINUS Wheelbase of your car MINUS the distance you've put your car's reax axle (middle of rear wheels) from the front of the board on the floor. - Golf 7.5 Hatchback Wheelbase is 2626mm.
Channel 5 = 500 PLUS the height of the domino from the ground. If this is the board itself then i think it's 10-20mm. If it's paper then it's going to be 0-1mm.
Parameter file Options
Check that they really are for your camera module by taking the xml (which is in UTF-8 encoding and translate to text)
- LOGOCAMERA-5Q0-6C.xml
- 6C_5Q0980556B_0231 - superb.xml RISKY if you care for your wheels and bumper.
- Watch out for Sir Brickalot hiding out there - 6C_5Q0980568B-GOLF7.xml I jumped the gun without checking the numbers and saw GOLF 7. I'm now paying the price
- Downtime & DarkChina really have purveyed a lot of work on this already with them siphoning german forums concluding that the 556B variant is a PITA! They have suggested getting the 568B instead. 556 is usually reserved for Audi's. @IWMTom also concluded an extra domino may be required.
Flashfile if it all goes Pete Tong.
- FL_5Q0980556B__0231.frf
If this all goes wrong after trying everything, I might get the 568B variant camera like darkchina and just swap them out in the emblem. Very quick and easy to do. I've had to do it a couple of times from bricking a few in the past. assuming the emblem is off the car, its 4 screws, then 2 bolts, 1 counter sunk screw and finally the tiniest torx screw you've every seen holding the camera in the whack a mole hut.
PROCESS
Checks:
- Camera lens must be clean.
- Vehicle needs to be positioned on a firm and level surface.
- There must be sufficient space all around the vehicle being calibrated.
- Parking brake is applied.
- Steering wheel in zero position, wheels point straight ahead.
- All doors and rear lid are closed.
- There is nobody in the vehicle.
- Vehicle is not loaded (curb weight).
- Before calibration: switch on ignition.
If the value is not identical: – Adjust calibration unit - VAS 6350- until values on both sides are identical. – When adjusting, make sure that linear laser - VAS 6350/3- hits centre of Volkswagen emblem and spirit level display also re‐ mains centred. If necessary, readjust accordingly.
Dimension -A- between calibration board and wheel centre mountings - VAS 6350/1- is 1.40 m to 2.00 m
Dimension -B- is the difference in height between the centre of the reversing camera lens and the wheel support surface
Dimension -H- is the board's height off the ground.
| ID | Variable | GOLF 7 in progress… | AUDI A3 E-TRON 5Q0-980-556-B H12 | Seat Leon | Touareg 7P6980556 H08 2015 | Mystery Car Online | Units | Comments | |
| Camera selection | 01 | 01 | |||||||
| Display mode | 00 | 00 | % | ||||||
| ENG119197-ENG128717 | [LO]_Cam0 Calibration binary threshold | 0 | 0 | 0 | |||||
| ENG119197-ENG119070 | [LO]_Cam0 Calibration Result judgment | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 20 41 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 20 41 | 00 00 E0 40 00 00 E0 40 00 00 E0 40 00 00 20 41 00 00 20 41 00 00 A0 41 00 00 A0 40 | |||
| ENG119197-ENG119060 | [LO]_Cam0 Changing default data Ground to Camera Z | Camera to ground height | 840 | 0 | 540 | 0 | mm | Camera to ground height | |
| ENG119197-ENG119061 | [LO]_Cam0 Changing default data - Ground to wheel arch Z | Wheel Arch height | 0 | 0 | 665 | 843.1 | 0 | mm | Distance I so happened to have it from the board |
| ENG119197-ENG119068 | [LO]_Cam0 division counts horizontal | 0 | 1 | 0 | 3 | ||||
| ENG119197-ENG119069 | [LO] Cam0 division counts vertical | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |||
| ENG119197-ENG119062 | [LOI_Cam0 Fixed value input - Ground to Camera Z | Ground height to Camera | 0.00 | 0 | 540 | 850 | mm | ||
| ENG119197-ENG119063 | [LO]_Cam0 Fixed value input - Ground to wheel arch Z | Ground height to Wheel Arch | 0.00 | 1143564698 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.00 | mm | What microns are being recorded here? |
| ENG119197-ENG119067 | [LO]_Cam0 height of marker | 0.00 | 0 | 0.00 | 14 | 75 | mm | The official board would be roughly this height off the floor | |
| ENG119197-ENG119064 | [LO]_Marker size Full-size or Half-size | [VO]_full size [VO]_half size | half size | [VO]_full size [VO]_half size | full size | full size | Wondering if this defines what RT Forum suggested that perhaps another wall mounted board is for full size | ||
| ENG119197-ENG119058 | [LO]_Cam0 Transversal position front axle | Front Axle | 0.00 | 1065353216 | 1533 | 16.7 | 0.00 | mm | I wonder what multiple has been used here |
| ENG119197-ENG119059 | [LO]_Cam0 Transversal position rear axle | Rear Axle | 0.00 | 0 | 1504 | 13.7 | 0.00 | mm | Wheelbase of an etron A3 is 2630mm |
| ENG119197-ENG119065 | [LO]_Cam0 X direction of marker red ribbon CHANNEL 4? | How far in is the red laser stripe (Centre) ? | 0.00 | 1166331904 | 0.00 | 4 515 | 4550 | mm | Wheelbase of a golf 7.5 is 2626mm, Touareg15' is 2893. Touareg 15' length is 4801 =16.7*13.7 |
| ENG119197-ENG119066 | [LO]_Cam0 Y direction of marker CHANNEL 5? | Distance of board to rear axle | 1430 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | mm | ||
| ENG119196-ENG119090 | camera_calibration_tolerance-RV_Calibration_Result | 0.00 | 1043207291 | 0.00 | px | ||||
| ENG119196-ENG119084 | camera_calibration_tolerance-RV_Calibration_Tolerance_alpha | 0.00 | 3217198940 | 0.00 | ° | 1.46 | 242.79 | ||
| ENG119196-ENG119085 | camera_calibration_tolerance-RV_Calibration_Tolerance_beta | 0.00 | 3212165775 | 0.00 | ° | -0.84 | |||
| ENG119196-ENG119086 | camera_calibration_tolerance-RV_Calibration_Tolerance_gamma | 0.00 | 1047233823 | 0.00 | ° | 0.78 | |||
| ENG119196-ENG119087 | camera_calibration_tolerance-RV_Calibration_Tolerance_x | 0.00 | 0 | 0.00 | -52.20 | mm | |||
| ENG119196-ENG119088 | camera_calibration_tolerance-RV_Calibration_Tolerance_y | 0.00 | 0 | 0.00 | -8.16 | mm | |||
| ENG119196-ENG119089 | camera_calibration_tolerance-RV_Calibration_Tolerance_z | 0.00 | 3242563904 | 0.00 | 0.00 | mm |
@Anfas Did you get any further? @IWMTom
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Is it worth changing the low to high camera? I have lowline, but was considering the change. I had highline retrofitted in my previous car, used those regimes when reversing from the parking lot or connecting the trailer. It is nice, but do I need that? Just thinking out loud...
Wait, Can I use these settings to calibrate the camera using OBDeleven?
Well, this is not 100% correct. Golf MK7 came with Highline camera. Part numbers are: 5G0-827-469-H; 5G0-827-469-P; 5G0-827-469-R; 5G0-827-469-T; 5G9-827-469-G; 5G9-827-469-H; 5G9-827-469-Q; 5G9-827-469-S; 5G9-827-469-AA. Not sure what regions it was available at and if for example MIB2 Discover Pro was required for it to be installed from factory, but OEM Highline camera in Golf MK7 is a thing. More proof in wiring diagrams for MK7 (attached below).
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VW Golf MK7 5G - Current Flow Diagram - high RVC.jpg
jamstonmartames
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- North East
- Car(s)
- GOLF 7.5
Thanks @mr-fix
Do you have any idea on the values to be filled if doing the ODIS calibration manually as oppose to online with GFF or Test Plan?
| ID | Variable | GOLF 7 in progress… | AUDI A3 E-TRON 5Q0-980-556-B H12 | Seat Leon | Touareg 7P6980556 H08 2015 | Mystery Car Online | Units | Comments | |
| Camera selection | 01 | 01 | |||||||
| Display mode | 00 | 00 | % | ||||||
| ENG119197-ENG128717 | [LO]_Cam0 Calibration binary threshold | 0 | 0 | 0 | |||||
| ENG119197-ENG119070 | [LO]_Cam0 Calibration Result judgment | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 20 41 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 A0 40 00 00 20 41 | 00 00 E0 40 00 00 E0 40 00 00 E0 40 00 00 20 41 00 00 20 41 00 00 A0 41 00 00 A0 40 | |||
| ENG119197-ENG119060 | [LO]_Cam0 Changing default data Ground to Camera Z | Camera to ground height | 840 | 0 | 540 | 0 | mm | Camera to ground height | |
| ENG119197-ENG119061 | [LO]_Cam0 Changing default data - Ground to wheel arch Z | Wheel Arch height | 0 | 0 | 665 | 843.1 | 0 | mm | Distance I so happened to have it from the board |
| ENG119197-ENG119068 | [LO]_Cam0 division counts horizontal | 0 | 1 | 0 | 3 | ||||
| ENG119197-ENG119069 | [LO] Cam0 division counts vertical | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |||
| ENG119197-ENG119062 | [LOI_Cam0 Fixed value input - Ground to Camera Z | Ground height to Camera | 0.00 | 0 | 540 | 850 | mm | ||
| ENG119197-ENG119063 | [LO]_Cam0 Fixed value input - Ground to wheel arch Z | Ground height to Wheel Arch | 0.00 | 1143564698 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.00 | mm | What microns are being recorded here? |
| ENG119197-ENG119067 | [LO]_Cam0 height of marker | 0.00 | 0 | 0.00 | 14 | 75 | mm | The official board would be roughly this height off the floor | |
| ENG119197-ENG119064 | [LO]_Marker size Full-size or Half-size | [VO]_full size [VO]_half size | half size | [VO]_full size [VO]_half size | full size | full size | Wondering if this defines what RT Forum suggested that perhaps another wall mounted board is for full size | ||
| ENG119197-ENG119058 | [LO]_Cam0 Transversal position front axle | Front Axle | 0.00 | 1065353216 | 1533 | 16.7 | 0.00 | mm | I wonder what multiple has been used here |
| ENG119197-ENG119059 | [LO]_Cam0 Transversal position rear axle | Rear Axle | 0.00 | 0 | 1504 | 13.7 | 0.00 | mm | Wheelbase of an etron A3 is 2630mm |
| ENG119197-ENG119065 | [LO]_Cam0 X direction of marker red ribbon CHANNEL 4? | How far in is the red laser stripe (Centre) ? | 0.00 | 1166331904 | 0.00 | 4 515 | 4550 | mm | Wheelbase of a golf 7.5 is 2626mm, Touareg15' is 2893. Touareg 15' length is 4801 =16.7*13.7 |
| ENG119197-ENG119066 | [LO]_Cam0 Y direction of marker CHANNEL 5? | Distance of board to rear axle | 1430 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | mm | ||
| ENG119196-ENG119090 | camera_calibration_tolerance-RV_Calibration_Result | 0.00 | 1043207291 | 0.00 | px | ||||
| ENG119196-ENG119084 | camera_calibration_tolerance-RV_Calibration_Tolerance_alpha | 0.00 | 3217198940 | 0.00 | ° | 1.46 | 242.79 | ||
| ENG119196-ENG119085 | camera_calibration_tolerance-RV_Calibration_Tolerance_beta | 0.00 | 3212165775 | 0.00 | ° | -0.84 | |||
| ENG119196-ENG119086 | camera_calibration_tolerance-RV_Calibration_Tolerance_gamma | 0.00 | 1047233823 | 0.00 | ° | 0.78 | |||
| ENG119196-ENG119087 | camera_calibration_tolerance-RV_Calibration_Tolerance_x | 0.00 | 0 | 0.00 | -52.20 | mm | |||
| ENG119196-ENG119088 | camera_calibration_tolerance-RV_Calibration_Tolerance_y | 0.00 | 0 | 0.00 | -8.16 | mm | |||
| ENG119196-ENG119089 | camera_calibration_tolerance-RV_Calibration_Tolerance_z | 0.00 | 3242563904 | 0.00 | 0.00 | mm |
RVC-High camera that I installed last week was bought second-hand and it came parameterized and calibrated. This means two things:
1. It's not calibrated for my vehicle, since the donor car could have different suspension, etc.
2. I can check calibration parameters that are stored in the camera - attaching below.
Camera came from VW Golf MK7 estate/variant, calibration was made in 2017 so I believe it's the MK7.5 (lifting) model. It was equipped with tow bar. No idea if suspension was stock, factory lowered or with DCC (I believe this is relevant to the ground-to-camera height).
1. It's not calibrated for my vehicle, since the donor car could have different suspension, etc.
2. I can check calibration parameters that are stored in the camera - attaching below.
Camera came from VW Golf MK7 estate/variant, calibration was made in 2017 so I believe it's the MK7.5 (lifting) model. It was equipped with tow bar. No idea if suspension was stock, factory lowered or with DCC (I believe this is relevant to the ground-to-camera height).
Code:
6C Rear View Camera
System description: RVC Compact+
Software number: 5Q0980568A
Software version: 0180
Hardware number: 5Q0980568A
Hardware version: H07
Long coding: 01 73 02 01 E2 00 20 17 00 00 40
Advanced identification
Identification of parameterization: 5B
Parameter set part number: V03935246FN
Parameter set version: 0001
Camera Calibration Date:
Year: 17
Month: 2
Day: 2
Live Data
Calibration of camera system
Rearview camera calibration status: Calibration ended
Rearview camera calibration progress: 100%
Rearview camera calibration repeat attempts: 0
Rearview camera calibration resumption: No resumption
Cause of rearview camera calibration error: no error
camera calibration tolerance
RV Calibration Tolerance alpha: 1.06
RV Calibration Tolerance beta: -0.10
RV Calibration Tolerance gamma: -0.86
RV Calibration Tolerance x: 0.00 mm
RV Calibration Tolerance y: 0.00 mm
RV Calibration Tolerance z: 26.10 mm
RV Calibration Result: 0.75 px
camera calibration parameters
Cam0 transversal position front axle: 0.30 mm
Cam0 transversal position rear axle: -0.1mm
Cam0 Changing default data - ground to Camera Z: 0.00 mm
Cam0 Changing default data - ground to wheel arch Z: 0.00 mm
Cam0 fixed value input - ground to camera Z: 0.00 mm
Cam0 fixed value input - ground to wheel arch Z: 717.10 mm
Cam0 Marker size Full-size or Half-size: full size
Cam0 X direction of marker red ribbon: 4285.00 mm
Cam0 Y direction of marker: 0.00 mm
Cam0 height of marker: 80.00 mm
Cam0 division counts horizontal: 1
Cam0 division count vertical: 1
Cam0 calibration Results judgment: 0000A0400000A0400000A0400000A0400000A0400000A04000002041
Cam0 Calibration binary threshold: 00
ATA camera calibration
ARA extins alpha: 0.35 rad
ARA extins beta: 0.00 rad
ARA extins gamma: 0.00 rad
ARA extins X: 0.00 m
ARA extins Y: 0.00 m
ARA extins Z: 0.00 m
ARA hitch X: 0.00 m
ARA hitch Y: 0.00 m
ARA hitch Z: 0.00 m@jamstonmartames, it looks like there are just 4 measurements needed. Not sure if camera calculates the rest or if ODIS is doing it while the calibration is in process.
[LO]_Cam0 Fixed value input - Ground to Camera Z - 840 mm in my MK7 estate.[LO]_Cam0 X direction of marker red ribbon - looks like distance from front axle to calibration board. In my case it's set to 4285.00 mm. This value minus wheelbase of MK7 estate (2635.00 mm) gives 1650.00mm which looks like the proper distance from rear axle to calibration board. I assume that ODIS requires the operator to measure rear axle to board since diagnostic software or the camera coding/parameterization already knows the wheelbase and will calculate it itself.[LO]_Cam0 Y direction of marker - camera transversal offset (0.00 mm if camera lens is in the center of the vehicle, like in Golf MK7 and Seat Leon 5F).[LO]_Cam0 height of marker - VAS board will have 75 mm or 80 mm.