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The COVID19 SCAMdemic... WW3 Is 2 Days Away - Another Distraction From This Administration's Epic Fails

Escape Hatch

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What you fail to mention is a majority of the gasoline tax is not federal, it is state driven. How is that explained in your rant attempting to point the finger at any one particular party? Again, you are blinded by your political loyalty and to not what is truly the issue. California for example adds an additional 66.9 cents per gallon to gasoline and 93.08 cents per gallon to diesel, is that the Republican's fault? The link below will take you to the data so you can see for yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States
 

npace

Autocross Champion
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Netherlands
That graph you posted was designed to make it appear as though Obama, a Democrat, lead to higher gas prices. So, whatever your intention was with that graph... to me, it really doesn't mean all that much. Presidents, in general, don't have all too much to do with world oil prices... at least not given the rise of China. Now, that said, to the extent you want to blame disasters such as 9/11 and the economic market collapse around 2008 on any one president, then yes, you could say that the president was responsible for lower gas prices, but did so by helping to trigger economic calamity. Otherwise, again, oil prices are set mostly by OPEC and the US as one of the worlds largest consumers and producers of oil does have an effect on world prices... but it's much less significant than many realize. The world oil prices don't give a flying fuq who the US President is.

The Federal Reserve is a somewhat independent govt agency, but US Presidents choose the people on the board, which are confirmed by Congress, so it's not totally independent. It also gets its money from the US Treasury, which prints money, so I'm not sure where you get the Fed Reserve is a "group of independent banks." Please show me where you got that.... because the Fed sets policy and the Fed lends to private/independent commercial (ie - not govt) banks, but the Fed is most certainly a US Govt entity that gets its money from the US Treasury. As much as Jamie Diamond would like to think he controls the Fed... the Fed decides US monetary policy and it sets the "Fed Funds Rate" that banks use to determine lending rates.

All of the above said, as far as oil prices are concerned, again, other than preventable disasters (such as 9/11 and the market crash in 2008 due mostly to Republican deregulation that did not reign in greedy private bank and investment house CEOs) the US Presidents don't have all too much too do with world oil prices. Now, that could of course change if people like Mitch McConnel get their way and try to fund future tax cuts by placing more and more burden on the middle class by increasing the federal gas tax (currently 18.3 cents per gallon) to pay for US roads rather than using federal taxes (that are paid more heavily by the rich). That's the crazy thing about the Republican shell game... so many Republican voters don't even realize that Republicans want to cut FEDERAL taxes (again, the wealthier pay more of the FEDERAL tax burden) which would deprive the US Govt of ever more tax money to fund US transportation costs and then offload the burden on individual (middle class) Americans that would then end up supporting much more of the tax burden for US infrastructure. I mean, Republicans (middle class ones at least) won't even admit that their own party is trying to fuq them!
I'm not going to get into your first paragraph, because we mostly agree, except I already proved how OPEC does not control oil prices. You're back on that, and I'm not going to change your mind, but that isn't how it works.

As far as the second paragraph, your facts, when presented that way, are misleading. The FED controls money supply. Treasury is responsible for actually printing money, but it's based on what the FED orders. The FED is a bank of banks, if you like. It consists of 12 independent banks that report to the FED board, but as I described, because the FED funds itself and sets monetary policy, it isn't really accountable to Congress in the way that the Director of the FBI or the Secretary of Defense are. If you want to argue about whether this is true or not, you can take it up with the FED itself: https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/structure-federal-reserve-system.htm

As for your last paragraph, again, I was simply pointing out that your statement about gas prices being generally lower under Obama was false. I didn't state the reason, because there are multiple reasons. However, you overlooked how I pointed out that TARP funding was actually approved while Bush was President, and the stagnation under Obama that held for 8 years was not "the economy came booming back" as you claimed. As far as taxes go, you're standing up another strawman to make some other argument about a political party that I don't support. People are well aware that the Republican party is in favor of cutting Federal income tax. A truly equitable system would be to do away with it altogether and adopt a VAT, but people like you who want the government to fund and control everything would have to take an appetite suppressant.
 

Escape Hatch

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USA
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Mk7 GTI
I just got this pop up... Is this really the answer?

https://www.ncwarn.org/stopdukeenergy/

This is really some silly, sad BS. It clearly explains why the state government has severely reduced his emergency powers and mandate abilities?

"
I appreciate your Executive Order on climate and the state’s resulting Clean Energy Plan. But they target only carbon dioxide, and the latest science shows that reducing methane emissions is the only way to quickly slow climate warming.

The state's climate scientists have been telling you that Duke Energy's planned fracked gas expansion will be disastrous for the climate because of the methane released not just in NC but at all stages of natural gas operations.

Please be the climate leader we so desperately need and declare a climate emergency that would accelerate progress toward all the necessary climate solutions."
 

jimlloyd40

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Phoenix
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2018 SE DSG
I just got this pop up... Is this really the answer?

https://www.ncwarn.org/stopdukeenergy/

This is really some silly, sad BS. It clearly explains why the state government has severely reduced his emergency powers and mandate abilities?

"
I appreciate your Executive Order on climate and the state’s resulting Clean Energy Plan. But they target only carbon dioxide, and the latest science shows that reducing methane emissions is the only way to quickly slow climate warming.

The state's climate scientists have been telling you that Duke Energy's planned fracked gas expansion will be disastrous for the climate because of the methane released not just in NC but at all stages of natural gas operations.

Please be the climate leader we so desperately need and declare a climate emergency that would accelerate progress toward all the necessary climate solutions."
Next there will be an emergency executive order to put diapers on cows to trap the methane before it can be released to the atmosphere. 🐮
 

anotero

Autocross Champion
Location
Hither and thither
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Mk7 GTI
I just got this pop up... Is this really the answer?

https://www.ncwarn.org/stopdukeenergy/

This is really some silly, sad BS. It clearly explains why the state government has severely reduced his emergency powers and mandate abilities?

"
I appreciate your Executive Order on climate and the state’s resulting Clean Energy Plan. But they target only carbon dioxide, and the latest science shows that reducing methane emissions is the only way to quickly slow climate warming.

The state's climate scientists have been telling you that Duke Energy's planned fracked gas expansion will be disastrous for the climate because of the methane released not just in NC but at all stages of natural gas operations.

Please be the climate leader we so desperately need and declare a climate emergency that would accelerate progress toward all the necessary climate solutions."

"Methane" --> farting libtards. Like i said before.
 

torga

Autocross Champion
Location
Seattle
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'11 GTI

None of the articles I've read about this have any definitive info and there are no official statements yet.

And there's a WaPo article that says, "The dollar amounts remain under discussion, but one person with knowledge of the negotiations said payouts could total $450,000 per person, with some families potentially receiving $1 million."
Families separated under Trump negotiating settlement with Biden administration - The Washington Post

Very well sounds like this person just took the highest possible range of payments and gave that out as info.

In any case, $450k per person would be insane. I'll wait for real information before I form any opinions.
 

zrickety

The Fixer
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Unknown
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VW GTI
Oil futures are not oil demand. We have enough historical data to know gasoline usage. Wall Street is just a casino where the house always wins.
 

zrickety

The Fixer
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VW GTI
Let's talk about how Brandon wants to give ILLEGALS half a million dollars each for breaking into our country. At a time when we are $30T in the hole. When can we call him a domestic terrorist??!
 

brat_burner

Autocross Champion
Location
FL
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Mk6
None of the articles I've read about this have any definitive info and there are no official statements yet.

And there's a WaPo article that says, "The dollar amounts remain under discussion, but one person with knowledge of the negotiations said payouts could total $450,000 per person, with some families potentially receiving $1 million."
Families separated under Trump negotiating settlement with Biden administration - The Washington Post

Very well sounds like this person just took the highest possible range of payments and gave that out as info.

In any case, $450k per person would be insane. I'll wait for real information before I form any opinions.

I was wondering who volunteered to represent them legally and what their compensation would be.
 

zrickety

The Fixer
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VW GTI

MagicMK

Drag Racing Champion
Location
PA
I'm not going to get into your first paragraph, because we mostly agree, except I already proved how OPEC does not control oil prices. You're back on that, and I'm not going to change your mind, but that isn't how it works.

As far as the second paragraph, your facts, when presented that way, are misleading. The FED controls money supply. Treasury is responsible for actually printing money, but it's based on what the FED orders. The FED is a bank of banks, if you like. It consists of 12 independent banks that report to the FED board, but as I described, because the FED funds itself and sets monetary policy, it isn't really accountable to Congress in the way that the Director of the FBI or the Secretary of Defense are. If you want to argue about whether this is true or not, you can take it up with the FED itself: https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/structure-federal-reserve-system.htm

As for your last paragraph, again, I was simply pointing out that your statement about gas prices being generally lower under Obama was false. I didn't state the reason, because there are multiple reasons. However, you overlooked how I pointed out that TARP funding was actually approved while Bush was President, and the stagnation under Obama that held for 8 years was not "the economy came booming back" as you claimed. As far as taxes go, you're standing up another strawman to make some other argument about a political party that I don't support. People are well aware that the Republican party is in favor of cutting Federal income tax. A truly equitable system would be to do away with it altogether and adopt a VAT, but people like you who want the government to fund and control everything would have to take an appetite suppressant.

I'm not sure where you're getting I claimed gas prices were favorable under Obama. They weren't high, and historically, they were actually quite low vs inflation, but I never made that argument. Where are you getting that from - what exactly did I write that made you think that, because my personal position is that US presidents have little influence on the price of gasoline, which is refined from Light Sweet Crude, not just any oil from anywhere in the world (including the Canadian tar sands which do not produce a petroleum product suitable for American gasoline refineries).

As far as the Fed, again, it's not independent. I looked at your link, to the Fed, but that link only confirms what I wrote. Here is what the Fed's website that you linked to actually states about the 12 Fed Reserve (physical) Bank locations:

Twelve Federal Reserve Districts operate independently but with supervision​

Federal Reserve District boundaries are based on economic considerations; the Districts operate independently but under the supervision of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors.

It states that they "operate independently," which means they manage their banking customer in their banking region independently... the American banking system is massive, so it's divided up into 12 federal reserve bank regions.

Here is what you wrote:
The Troubled Asset Relief Program was approved by Congress in October of 2008, while Bush was still in office. Multiple rounds of QE (which was really printing money to cover debts) was a FED program. Contrary to what a lot of people think, the FED is not a government agency or part of the government, its a group of independent banks that have a board of directors who are theoretically accountable to Congress. I say theoretically, because virtually nobody in Congress actually understands what the FED does and so they all typically side with the FED regardless of what the FED does or says.

It's extremely misleading to say the Fed is not a govt agency, it is part of the US Govt, most definitely, and the Fed Reserve Bank branches are able to operate independent **of the Fed** on a day to day operations basis, but they are in no way independent banks, like Wells Fargo, JP Morgan Chase, or Bank of America. The Fed Reserve Banks are accountable to the Fed, which is ultimately accountable to the US Govt, the US Congress as elected leaders of the US Govt, and the President (not directly, but indirectly). To be clear, a US President can remove the Fed Chairman for cause... and a US President can simply make up any cause they want, as who is going to stop him? Case in point, Trump constantly harassed the Fed Chairman because he disagreed with the Fed increasing interest rates. Many thought Trump was just going to make up a reason to fire him. If Trump fired him (for "cause") then who would have stopped him... I'll help you, nobody would.

Now, as far as federal taxes. A VAT tax, really? Maybe we should just go to a federal sales tax (ie "Flat Tax"), right? That way somebody making minimum wage can pay the same Federal Sales Tax on a gallon of milk that Jeff Bezos pays on a gallon of milk. The Flat Tax, the VAT Tax, the National Sales Tax, are just ways to move our progressive federal tax system to a regressive federal tax system that taxes the poor and middle class the same way it taxes the rich. It's a horrible idea. Anyone that's more of an economist and less of a Republican pundit understands this. The middle class spend much of their paychecks. The rich don't. You want to get the economy going, you put more money in the hands of the middle class. This does not mean you punish the rich, but if you keep tilting the tax code more and more to the rich, then there are less and less people with money to support the US economy.

Case in point... why is it that CEOs can get paid in stock options that are only taxed at the top equity rate, which is something like 15%, meanwhile, their earned income rate would be at the top tax bracket of 35-37%? Why does every other "normal" American have to pay on their total income, with most of us only taking the standard deduction, but these CEO making over $10M a year can pay the top rate on their $1M salary, but then only pay maybe a 15% rate on the remainder of their income, because it was paid in stock options? And don't tell me that the CEOs are worth it, because American CEO making many times more than Japanese or German CEOs, and even when they do bad, the company board just "reprices" the options lower so they make about just as much money as before. The CEO always get paid, regardless of how the company performs.
 

Subliminal

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Vegas
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Slow FWD VW Hatch
I'm not sure where you're getting I claimed gas prices were favorable under Obama. They weren't high, and historically, they were actually quite low vs inflation, but I never made that argument. Where are you getting that from - what exactly did I write that made you think that, because my personal position is that US presidents have little influence on the price of gasoline, which is refined from Light Sweet Crude, not just any oil from anywhere in the world (including the Canadian tar sands which do not produce a petroleum product suitable for American gasoline refineries).

As far as the Fed, again, it's not independent. I looked at your link, to the Fed, but that link only confirms what I wrote. Here is what the Fed's website that you linked to actually states about the 12 Fed Reserve (physical) Bank locations:



It states that they "operate independently," which means they manage their banking customer in their banking region independently... the American banking system is massive, so it's divided up into 12 federal reserve bank regions.

Here is what you wrote:


It's extremely misleading to say the Fed is not a govt agency, it is part of the US Govt, most definitely, and the Fed Reserve Bank branches are able to operate independent **of the Fed** on a day to day operations basis, but they are in no way independent banks, like Wells Fargo, JP Morgan Chase, or Bank of America. The Fed Reserve Banks are accountable to the Fed, which is ultimately accountable to the US Govt, the US Congress as elected leaders of the US Govt, and the President (not directly, but indirectly). To be clear, a US President can remove the Fed Chairman for cause... and a US President can simply make up any cause they want, as who is going to stop him? Case in point, Trump constantly harassed the Fed Chairman because he disagreed with the Fed increasing interest rates. Many thought Trump was just going to make up a reason to fire him. If Trump fired him (for "cause") then who would have stopped him... I'll help you, nobody would.

Now, as far as federal taxes. A VAT tax, really? Maybe we should just go to a federal sales tax (ie "Flat Tax"), right? That way somebody making minimum wage can pay the same Federal Sales Tax on a gallon of milk that Jeff Bezos pays on a gallon of milk. The Flat Tax, the VAT Tax, the National Sales Tax, are just ways to move our progressive federal tax system to a regressive federal tax system that taxes the poor and middle class the same way it taxes the rich. It's a horrible idea. Anyone that's more of an economist and less of a Republican pundit understands this. The middle class spend much of their paychecks. The rich don't. You want to get the economy going, you put more money in the hands of the middle class. This does not mean you punish the rich, but if you keep tilting the tax code more and more to the rich, then there are less and less people with money to support the US economy.

Case in point... why is it that CEOs can get paid in stock options that are only taxed at the top equity rate, which is something like 15%, meanwhile, their earned income rate would be at the top tax bracket of 35-37%? Why does every other "normal" American have to pay on their total income, with most of us only taking the standard deduction, but these CEO making over $10M a year can pay the top rate on their $1M salary, but then only pay maybe a 15% rate on the remainder of their income, because it was paid in stock options? And don't tell me that the CEOs are worth it, because American CEO making many times more than Japanese or German CEOs, and even when they do bad, the company board just "reprices" the options lower so they make about just as much money as before. The CEO always get paid, regardless of how the company performs.
lol wrong
 

torga

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Seattle
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'11 GTI
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